College Football 2010: Dude, Where's my Conference?

[Kepler]

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In other non-expansion news, bye bye Masoli.

Yepper.

[Kepler]

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If Notre Dame isn't coming to the Big Ten, I think I'd like them to cap the league at 12 and only take Nebraska. If they are going invite others, than I'd prefer they go to 16 (Neb, ND, Mizzou, KU, KSU).

Notre Dame is jammed here, unfortunately (I know, I know, everybody shed a tear.) They wanted to be Indy but Big Ten expansion threatens them, so second best would be as the 12th Big Ten, capping it, but that's now off the table with Nebraska joining (unless the Big Ten dropped all pretexts and dumped Northwestern), so third best is... joining the Big East? Ew. So that probably leaves them Indy, hoping the superconferences somehow implode.

[bronconick]

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I'd bet anything that the Mountain West is not currently expanding because they're secretly nursing a woody that they could get KSU, Kansas and ISU instead of Boise State.

[Bronco]

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Versus was doing a Mountain West game each weekend.

He did say major TV network.

Edit: Wow, I'm slow on this thread.

[RMUColonials]

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Notre Dame is jammed here, unfortunately (I know, I know, everybody shed a tear.) They wanted to be Indy but Big Ten expansion threatens them, so second best would be as the 12th Big Ten, capping it, but that's now off the table with Nebraska joining (unless the Big Ten dropped all pretexts and dumped Northwestern), so third best is... joining the Big East? Ew. So that probably leaves them Indy, hoping the superconferences somehow implode.

If ND applied to the Big Ten, they would take them before the ink dries and add another team (likely Eastern, Syracuse or Pitt) and go to 14 teams.

ND still has all of their options available to them, regardless of what happens with Nebraska.

Hell, the ACC would go to 14 to get ND.

[JF_Gophers]

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If ND applied to the Big Ten, they would take them before the ink dries and add another team (likely Eastern, Syracuse or Pitt) and go to 14 teams.

ND still has all of their options available to them, regardless of what happens with Nebraska.

Hell, the ACC would go to 14 to get ND.

I think he is saying ND doesn't want a super conference that has 14 and more teams. That makes more mouths to feed, and their revenue is doing a lot of the feeding. It doesn't make as much financial sense to join a weak Big East (or even the ACC).

[RMUColonials]

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I'd bet anything that the Mountain West is not currently expanding because they're secretly nursing a woody that they could get KSU, Kansas and ISU instead of Boise State.

I think they were hoping that the Pac 10 would take Baylor instead of Colorado. Adding CU plus 2 of the other B12 leftovers (Kan and KSU) would almost certainly get them their BCS bid. They would still probably get it with Kan, KS, and ISU...but Colorado would be far more attractive.

[Kepler]

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ND still has all of their options available to them, regardless of what happens with Nebraska.

They don't have the option to join a 12-team Big Ten anymore, after the Nebraska deal, and being part of a 16-team Big Ten is even worse for them, unless it is with 8-team divisions, giving them 5 NC games (but a divisionally-split Big Ten with a lot of NC games solves their scheduling problem without them having to join, so arguably that is the least likely thing to happen.)

The bottom line will probably be the Irish not having won in 22 years. If they had won in the last ten, they wouldn't even be considering a move. With such a long dry spell, the traditionalists (raises hand) have much less firm footing. We can theoretically be convinced, although having the possibility of meeting USC in the Rose Bowl could stress that RS meeting, which would be a Bad Thing.

[RMUColonials]

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I think he is saying ND doesn't want a super conference that has 14 and more teams. That makes more mouths to feed, and their revenue is doing a lot of the feeding. It doesn't make as much financial sense to join a weak Big East (or even the ACC).

ND would still make out like bandits with a 14 team B10 with Neb and one other team. They would make significantly more money than they currently do and their future stability is assured.

The only problem for ND with a 14 or 16 team league is scheduling. But with Mich, MSU, Purdue, and possibly Pitt all in conference, most of their long-time "rivals" are already available to play. They could still schedule USC and the service academies every season.

[Handyman]

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Yeah to Notre Dame the number of teams shouldnt matter. They will make more off the BTN than they do off of NBC and their schedule will hardly be affected as they will most likely get to face off against their current scheduled teams. (they will be placed with Michigan, MSU and Purdue for sure)

Financially speaking they lose nothing. The Big Ten isnt going to be leaning on them for money (or to feed the mouths) as the Big Ten does just fine without them.

[Slap Shot]

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I think he is saying ND doesn't want a super conference that has 14 and more teams. That makes more mouths to feed, and their revenue is doing a lot of the feeding. It doesn't make as much financial sense to join a weak Big East (or even the ACC).

Aside from the fact ND would make more with the Big Ten TV package (that would probably be re-nogiated for more $$ than it current earns) than they currently make with their NBC venture?

[Kepler]

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They could still schedule USC and the service academies every season.

I would like to think so, but they might run out of dates, unless the superconferences start pushing to longer seasons.

ND makes $15M now. A B10 share is $20 now ($220M net) so if the B10 expands to 16 their contract would have to be renegotiated up to $240 for it to be competitive, but I guess that's a safe assumption with both ND and Nebraska in the fold.

What happens with bowl game revenue, however? ND takes home their entire share now, while they would have to split it in conference (while also gaining their peers' splits of course).

[Slap Shot]

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I would like to think so, but they might run out of dates, unless the superconferences start pushing to longer seasons.

It's possible B10 conference play would not render ND's nc schedule moot if dates with UMi, MSU and PUR remain fairly regular (if not downright seasonal depending upon scheduling), which could leave USC as a probable seasonal opponent.

[RMUColonials]

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I would like to think so, but they might run out of dates, unless the superconferences start pushing to longer seasons.

The B10 would probably have to relax some of their scheduling rules, but they would do that in a second to get ND.

[mookie1995]

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i would bet a 14 team super conference would split into 7 team sides and just play each other, along with one 'natural rival' or something from the other side... allowing 4 home games with grand junction state and east west central california and whatnot.