Detroit Tigers, 2009, Part III: How long does it take for Leyland to screw this up?

[streaker]

Re: Detroit Tigers, 2009, Part III: How long does it take for Leyland to screw this up?

Yep. I concur.

And have I mentioned that I have no idea what we're going to do at SS?

And Polly threw the Tigers under the bus, too with his comments about going to a team that wants to contend. Nice. Can the Tigers collectively qualify as a Darwin Award nomination?

[Billy Blanks]

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Now that Scutaro has signed with the BoSox, it looks like Everett is going to stay in Detroit.

I'm not to pleased after hearing the Dome's comments at his presser in Philly. He went to a World Series and won 2 gold gloves in Detroit.

[Billy Blanks]

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The Tigers are close to dealing Edwin Jackson, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com.

This is not unexpected, as Jackson rumors have dominated the winter meetings. The identity of the team likely to land the right-hander is not yet known, but the report specifically mentions both the Diamondbacks and Mariners as possibilities. The Brewers, Mets and Dodgers have apparently pulled out of the sweepstakes. Jackson, 26, went 13-9 in 2009 with a 3.62 ERA and 1.26 WHIP over 33 starts.

[Billy Blanks]

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Tigers sign Everett to a one year deal for 3 million. IMO, this is a solid deal. If Everett fields like he did in the second half of 2009, I'm completely fine with this.

[Billy Blanks]

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"Gammons' colleague Buster Olney says the Tigers want Phil Hughes and Austin Jackson from the Yankees for Granderson." - mlbtraderumors.com

What does everyone think of that package? Hughes in the rotation or bullpen?

I would do this in a heartbeat!!! C'mon Dombrowski GET IT DONE BABY!!!

[Billy Blanks]

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Tigers sign Everett to a one year deal for 3 million. IMO, this is a solid deal. If Everett fields like he did in the second half of 2009, I'm completely fine with this.

Rosenthal is reporting that he IS signed now and it's for a huge discount from the 3 Million that Everett reportedly wanted.

1.55 million for one year.

He!! yeah!

[streaker]

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Oh yes. The Clay Rapata era is over in Motown, too. A moment of silence please.

[Hammer]

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RUMOR MILL ALERT!!

Okay, this deal would be a little more palatable to me

I still don't like the idea of dealing Jackson, as I think replacing a pitcher of Jackson's calibre is going to be more expensive than paying Jackson himself. To me the biggest concern is this Scherzer kid's arm. Arizona shut him down at just over 170 innings this season. Precautionary to be sure, but I hope we do our due diligence here, better than we have in the past (looking towards Florida).

I suspect that there's too much smoke here for there not to be a fire. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Tigers do something today or tomorrow.

[Hammer]

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Oh, and re: Everett. I'm pacified at the moment at short. If the deal listed below goes through, I don't know how close Austin Jackson is to being ready. If he's not there yet, we've got another hole to fill in CF.

After that, we've got to concentrate on the pitching staff, both starting and relieving. I'm not comfortable at all about the immediate future of the back half of the rotation. A couple years down the road, sure, but that doesn't help us when it's 8-3 in the 3rd inning on May 17, 2010 after Bonine and his 87 mph junk gets bombed all over the city.

[Billy Blanks]

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A-Jack is ready! Let's pull the trigger on this one!

[GreatLakerMohawk]

Re: Detroit Tigers, 2009, Part III: How long does it take for Leyland to screw this up?

RUMOR MILL ALERT!!

Okay, this deal would be a little more palatable to me

I still don't like the idea of dealing Jackson, as I think replacing a pitcher of Jackson's calibre is going to be more expensive than paying Jackson himself. To me the biggest concern is this Scherzer kid's arm. Arizona shut him down at just over 170 innings this season. Precautionary to be sure, but I hope we do our due diligence here, better than we have in the past (looking towards Florida).

I suspect that there's too much smoke here for there not to be a fire. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Tigers do something today or tomorrow.

Scherzer is the real deal so you guys would be making out huge there.

Austin Jackson is a prospect I love but I've been a bit nervous about the last year or so. His power numbers seemed to disappear last year and his strikeout numbers took off. The kid is a great talent but there's some things there that have made me nervous about the Yankees putting all their centerfield faith in the future on him. For what it's worth, every time he's been promoted in the organization he's used it to amp up his play so perhaps getting to start the year in the majors would do the trick for him.

The pitchers you'd get from the Yankees, Phil Coke you've likely seen enough of to know that he drives Yankees fans a little nuts as he's prone to giving up homers to both lefties and righties (he's a lefty). He's good but pretty inconsistent. The latest thing I've read says that Mike Dunn might get switched out for a different pitcher. Dunn is a lefty as well and has a good fastball and an OK slider and change. He's a converted outfielder that is a strikeout-type guy. He's also the arm that's the youngest piece of the pie here and could eventually (in a year or so) be a solid bullpen arm.

[Terrierbyassociation]

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Regardless of who the players will be, the Tigers will get screwed. When was the last time the Yankees traded a prospect and he actually turned out to be any good, Milton?

[GreatLakerMohawk]

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Regardless of who the players will be, the Tigers will get screwed. When was the last time the Yankees traded a prospect and he actually turned out to be any good, Milton?

Christian Guzman did OK for the Twins for a while!

[Terrierbyassociation]

Re: Detroit Tigers, 2009, Part III: How long does it take for Leyland to screw this up?

Christian Guzman did OK for the Twins for a while!

Wasn't he in the same trade?

It's amazing, the Yankees keep on trading prospects over the years and none of them pan out. Yet none of the MLB GMs can figure this out.

[Hammer]

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Well, with the exception of the Renteria-for-Jurjjens trade, Dombrowski has done okay when it comes to trades himself. Placido Polanco gave us 5 very good seasons while Ugueth Urbina sits in a prison. Jeff Weaver turned into Jeremy Bonderman after Weaver and Bobby Fick went to Hockeytown Cafe and started dropping N-bombs and brawling, and being a bouncer on Jerry Springer. Even if we end up eating the rest of Willis' contract (likely at this point), I'm still happy with the that trade. AFAIC, I add it to the cost of Cabrera's contract. Cameron Maybin is still not an everyday starter in Florida, and Andrew Miller still can't find the strike zone consistently without a map and compass. It's the recent contract extensions that have done DD in.

You have to remember, when Dombrowski took over this team in the fall of 2001, he basically had two geese and a billygoat to work with, and not much else. There was nothing in the organization, short of Curtis Granderson. Phil Garner was our manager, Eric Munson was the next 3rd baseman until Chris Truby got done hitting .165. Damion Easley, Tony Clark, Bobby Higginson, Shane Halter and Gene Kingsale were projected to be everyday players, and Brandon Inge was our catcher on the way to hitting about .172 himself. Jason Johnson and Jeff Weaver were our top two starters, and Willie Blair had a better-than-average chance of being in the rotation.

That gives you a good idea of where we were at as an organization. Sure, he's messed up on contract extensions (Bonderman, Willis, Robertson), but he had no choice but to overpay for Pudge and Ordonez. Right now we're still paying the price for being so horrid in 2002-2003 with the Magglio deal. Otherwise, these guys weren't coming, and likely, the rest of the dominos would not have fallen into place that got us to the 2006 World Series and a ****ed good look at the postseason this past year.

It takes a very long time to build a winner properly through the farm system, and he had to have something to put on the field at Comerica Park while he was restocking a farm system so barren that it made the Mojave Desert look like a rain forest.