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  • #151
    Re: Illegal Immigration Pt. III: It's Illegal to be Illegal? Really?

    Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
    So it's ok to throw rocks at people that are taller than you?
    Midgets have all the fun.

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    • #152
      Re: Illegal Immigration Pt. III: It's Illegal to be Illegal? Really?

      Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
      14 years old is young. The US legal system thinks so also as its penalties are significantly different than it would be for an adult. We either live by our standards or we don't.
      Yeah, a 14yo would never be tried as an adult. And kids younger than that don't get sentenced to life in prison.
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      • #153
        Re: Illegal Immigration Pt. III: It's Illegal to be Illegal? Really?

        The question is - did the officer have a reasonable belief that he or those around him were at risk of serious physical injury or death? If so, then his use of deadly force is reasonable under the Fourth Amendment.

        Whether it was a 9, 14, 29 or 91 year old throwing rocks is not a determinative factor, and is only relevant in determining whether his belief that he was in serious danger was reasonable.

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        • #154
          Re: Illegal Immigration Pt. III: It's Illegal to be Illegal? Really?

          Originally posted by MavKato View Post
          what happened to innocent until proven guilty? you applied that standard to one side (the person throwing rocks), but not to the other side (the person with the gun)?
          The point I've been making is that the border guard will be and needs to be adequately judged by US courts as is standard in the US. The kid did not get that same 'innocence until proven guilty' judgement...that's the problem.
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          • #155
            Re: Illegal Immigration Pt. III: It's Illegal to be Illegal? Really?

            Originally posted by Rimbaud View Post
            Yeah, a 14yo would never be tried as an adult. And kids younger than that don't get sentenced to life in prison.
            Extreme exceptions that don't apply here...as we have no evidence the kid killed in this case had this kind of background. Frankly the evidence doesn't matter either as he didn't get a trial.

            Point remains...US law and society largely treats those of the age of the kid in this case very differently than adults.
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            • #156
              Re: Illegal Immigration Pt. III: It's Illegal to be Illegal? Really?

              Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
              14 years old is young. The US legal system thinks so also as its penalties are significantly different than it would be for an adult. We either live by our standards or we don't.
              True, but that's a different point and not relevant to the way a law enforcement official might act in the moment if he felt his life was in danger.

              Regardless, I still don't see your point. Unless we see more information, the guy with the gun is primarily to blame for the death (if its an act that should not have occurred)...and deserves judgement.
              No. Until we see the full information we don't know who is to blame for the death. The age of the "child" is irrelevant to that point. That's what you're missing with your predictable blamefest.
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              • #157
                Re: Illegal Immigration Pt. III: It's Illegal to be Illegal? Really?

                Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                The kid did not get that same 'innocence until proven guilty' judgement...that's the problem.
                So an officer under fire cannot respond until his attacker has been found guilty by a jury?
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                • #158
                  Re: Illegal Immigration Pt. III: It's Illegal to be Illegal? Really?

                  Jeebus... I leave this thread for a couple days and this happens? What's wrong with you people?

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                  • #159
                    Re: Illegal Immigration Pt. III: It's Illegal to be Illegal? Really?

                    My favorite comment on that link.

                    Don't bring rocks to a gun fight.

                    Alleged criminal and human trafficker died 6 meters inside the Mexican border, apparently.

                    Looks like he wasn't throwing rocks for fun or just to protest something but in the furtherance of a crime, to distract the border patrol agent from doing his job.

                    Mexico wants swift action. They got it, they got one of their criminals punished free of charge.
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                    • #160
                      Re: Illegal Immigration Pt. III: It's Illegal to be Illegal? Really?

                      Originally posted by Terrierbyassociation View Post
                      My favorite comment on that link.

                      Don't bring rocks to a gun fight.

                      Alleged criminal and human trafficker died 6 meters inside the Mexican border, apparently.

                      Looks like he wasn't throwing rocks for fun or just to protest something but in the furtherance of a crime, to distract the border patrol agent from doing his job.

                      Mexico wants swift action. They got it, they got one of their criminals punished free of charge.
                      The department of homeland security should send them a bill and grab a bag of popcorn to enjoy the show.
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                      As of 9/21/10:         As of 9/13/10:
College Hockey 6       College Football 0
BTHC 4                 WCHA FC:  1
                      Originally posted by SanTropez
                      May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
                      Originally posted by bigblue_dl
                      I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
                      Originally posted by Kepler
                      When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
                      He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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                      • #161
                        Re: Illegal Immigration Pt. III: It's Illegal to be Illegal? Really?

                        Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                        The department of homeland security should send them a bill and grab a bag of popcorn to enjoy the show.
                        How much do 3 bullets cost.

                        Your bill, Mexico.
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                        • #162
                          Re: Illegal Immigration Pt. III: It's Illegal to be Illegal? Really?

                          Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                          The point I've been making is that the border guard will be and needs to be adequately judged by US courts as is standard in the US. The kid did not get that same 'innocence until proven guilty' judgement...that's the problem.
                          rather be judged by 12 than buried by 6... or did innocent until proven guilty not apply to the officer when the kid rendered his verdict? That is the specific verdict of throwing rocks at the officer. What right does he have to be judge and jury?

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                          • #163
                            Re: Illegal Immigration Pt. III: It's Illegal to be Illegal? Really?

                            Death of a child. Good times.
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                            • #164
                              Really?

                              Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                              In the United States...we have innocence until proven guilty. What facts about this case change that?
                              Interesting comment since you seem to have already tried and convicted the cop.

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                              • #165
                                Re: Really?

                                Once the two parties are facing off, the man with the gun makes the decision of whether to kill the other party. The only question is whether the bullet came from his gun...and then based on US law, 'responsibility' is beyond debate.

                                The question of whether he's convicted comes down to whether its self defense or not.

                                Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
                                Interesting comment since you seem to have already tried and convicted the cop.
                                Where did I say convict the cop? Post?
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