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  • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

    Originally posted by WeWantMore View Post
    Because the contemporary American use of that word is the only way it can be used.
    Which of these definitions do you think he was going for:

    liberal [lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl]  
    Origin
    lib·er·al   [lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl] Show IPA
    adjective
    1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
    2. ( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
    3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
    4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
    5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
    6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
    7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
    8. open-minded or tolerant, especially free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
    9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.
    10. given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.
    11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.
    12. of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.
    13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.
    noun
    14. a person of liberal principles or views, especially in politics or religion.
    15. ( often initial capital letter ) a member of a liberal party in politics, especially of the Liberal party in Great Britain.

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    • Originally posted by Priceless View Post
      Which of these definitions do you think he was going for:
      4 and 5 look pretty solid to me.

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      • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

        Originally posted by WeWantMore View Post
        4 and 5 look pretty solid to me.
        Riiiight.

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        • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

          What point are you trying to make exactly?

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          • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

            Originally posted by WeWantMore View Post
            What point are you trying to make exactly?
            Do you seriously think FF is an "ardent liberal"?

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            • Originally posted by Priceless View Post
              Do you seriously think FF is an "ardent liberal"?
              By the definition I'd wager most Americans think of, e.g. Nancy Pelosi, no, of course not.

              But my point is, there are other definitions of the term still in use today. Look at many of the liberal parties of Europe, for example. See also, classical liberalism. By that standard, you bet I think he/she is an ardent liberal.

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              • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

                Originally posted by WeWantMore View Post
                By the definition I'd wager most Americans think of, e.g. Nancy Pelosi, no, of course not.

                But my point is, there are other definitions of the term still in use today. Look at many of the liberal parties of Europe, for example. See also, classical liberalism. By that standard, you bet I think he/she is an ardent liberal.
                Do you really think that's what FreshFish was intending to convey with his statement? I sure as hell don't.

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                • Originally posted by unofan View Post
                  Do you really think that's what FreshFish was intending to convey with his statement? I sure as hell don't.
                  Reading some of he other posts by FF, I do. What exactly do you think he was trying to convey?

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                  • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

                    Originally posted by WeWantMore View Post
                    Reading some of he other posts by FF, I do. What exactly do you think he was trying to convey?
                    I think he was being a smartass, for one.

                    I'm not sold on him being a real person, either. Some of his posts reek of being an alt/troll/etc. He's kinda the bizzaro-Kepler.

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                    • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

                      Originally posted by WeWantMore View Post
                      By the definition I'd wager most Americans think of, e.g. Nancy Pelosi, no, of course not.

                      But my point is, there are other definitions of the term still in use today. Look at many of the liberal parties of Europe, for example. See also, classical liberalism. By that standard, you bet I think he/she is an ardent liberal.
                      I'm of the opinion that it could be what he does mean. But if so, he may be in pretty sparse company in assigning any real value to those definition. I would guess a 90+% of self identified ardent liberals would consider themselves most unlike FF.
                      Go Gophers!

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                      • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

                        Why can't people be conflicted about certain things? In some things I am way left of center and others I am centrist or slightly to the right. Also a perfectly good 'liberal' idea may hve been corrupted to the point that the programs that initially addressed it are so messed up someone might not support them even if the founding idea was OK. I see someone who has a fluid mind about subjects but is not as expert as Kepler in expressing them.

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                        • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

                          Originally posted by leswp1 View Post
                          Why can't people be conflicted about certain things? In some things I am way left of center and others I am centrist or slightly to the right. Also a perfectly good 'liberal' idea may hve been corrupted to the point that the programs that initially addressed it are so messed up someone might not support them even if the founding idea was OK. I see someone who has a fluid mind about subjects but is not as expert as Kepler in expressing them.
                          Have I got a youtube clip for you. (not embedded b/c nsfw language)
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIA4__0DIXE
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                          • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

                            Originally posted by WeWantMore View Post
                            Reading some of he other posts by FF, I do. What exactly do you think he was trying to convey?
                            individual liberty, free markets, "we are endowed by the Creator with certain inalienable rights" as you noted, priceless definitions 4 - 9 capture it perfectly. like Kepler if he were skeptical about the limits of government power.
                            Last edited by FreshFish; 04-15-2012, 12:55 PM.
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                            • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

                              Originally posted by amherstblackbear View Post
                              Have I got a youtube clip for you. (not embedded b/c nsfw language)
                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIA4__0DIXE
                              This.

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                              • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

                                If it harms no one, do it.
                                Protect the weak from the strong.

                                Think these would work?
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