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  • #61
    Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

    Originally posted by jmh View Post
    Yeah, I'm pretty sure I won't be buying the "Women of The Supreme Court" calendar anytime soon.
    I take it you missed the "Justices Gone Wild" series too ...
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    • #62
      Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

      Yeah, that's just what I needed to read an hour before lunch.
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      • #63
        Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

        Originally posted by Hammer View Post
        Yeah, that's just what I needed to read an hour before lunch.
        Look on the bright side. If you had read this an hour after lunch, you'd have an eating disorder.

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        • #64
          Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

          Originally posted by Bakunin View Post
          A loose coalition of special interests?
          As I understand it, opposition to party corruption and special interests (as opposed to the nation / national interest) was one of the only organizing principles behind the movement.

          The political landscape was so different back then that their policies probably can't help but look incoherent to a 21st century observer.

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          • #65
            Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

            Originally posted by Hammer View Post
            Yeah, that's just what I needed to read an hour before lunch.
            Think of it as a new diet plan ...
            "We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate." -Thomas Jefferson

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            • #66
              Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

              Originally posted by amherstblackbear View Post
              As I understand it, opposition to party corruption and special interests (as opposed to the nation / national interest) was one of the only organizing principles behind the movement.

              The political landscape was so different back then that their policies probably can't help but look incoherent to a 21st century observer.

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              That's probably true. I'm sure the burning issues of today will look bizarre to the 2110 electorate (which, after the 59th amendment, will include my box turtle lover and my German-made sports car, and about time too).

              Still, the weirdest thing about that laundry list of policies is they didn't reflect warring special interests. The same people had all those notions bouncing around in their heads at the same time, and half of them contradicted the other half.

              Take pro-life death penalty advocates and imagine the same incoherence across virtually every issue.
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              • #67
                Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

                Poll out from Rasmussen has Kagan's favorables/unfavorables at 45/39.
                I call bull on that. No way you can convince 74% of the population knew who she was yesterday, no way.

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                • #68
                  Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

                  Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  The same people had all those notions bouncing around in their heads at the same time, and half of them contradicted the other half.
                  Probably no better example than support for women's suffrage, but uneasiness (okay, lingering racism) over the prospect of universal suffrage. They were characters.

                  But they recognized that in a two-party system, both parties would stand for the same thing (re-election), so I'll give them points for that. Multiple parties do make things more interesting.

                  Anyway . . . I'm still a bit nonplussed over the Kagan nomination. Did Obama really think that he could avoid a confirmation dispute in an election year?
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                  • #69
                    Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

                    Originally posted by WeWantMore View Post
                    Poll out from Rasmussen has Kagan's favorables/unfavorables at 45/39.
                    I call bull on that. No way you can convince 74% of the population knew who she was yesterday, no way.
                    Um. 84?

                    I agree that fewer than 1% of Americans knew who Kagan was before Monday. Those are zombie numbers based on reflex approval / reflex hatred of Obama.

                    But it isn't as if anybody but a ConLaw graduate is going to actually make up his or her mind about her independently, so the final approval/disapproval will stay about 50/40/10, based on whether you live in Glennbeckistan.

                    It would have been funny if they split the sample into halves and asked two questions:

                    Do you approve of Elena Kagan?

                    Do you approve of President Obama's Supreme Court nominee, Elena Kagan?

                    I'll bet you the former question would have gotten 98% "I don't know," while the latter got the results quoted. People... and this is a secret between you and me... people are not very bright.
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                    • #70
                      Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

                      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                      Um. 84?
                      Erm, yeah, that's what I meant

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                      • #71
                        Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

                        Well, if 74% didn't know, 84% sure as hell didn't know, either.
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                        • #72
                          Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

                          Scott Horton on Kagan.
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                          • #73
                            Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

                            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                            Scott Horton on Kagan.
                            Interesting. I've got my fingers crossed her personal life doesn't become part of the confirmation process. And I think absent some bombshell we're unaware of, she'll be easily confirmed. I wouldn't have selected her, but then I didn't win the presidency. Elections have consequences. And I agree with George Will's piece today in which he suggests "turning down the temperature" on these nominations.
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                            • #74
                              Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

                              Originally posted by Old Pio View Post
                              I wouldn't have selected her, but then I didn't win the presidency.
                              A lot of liberals are saying the same thing.

                              I've got my fingers crossed her personal life doesn't become part of the confirmation process.
                              Thank God the House doesn't get confirmation hearings.
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                              • #75
                                Re: The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

                                Is there anyone in government today that hasn't worked with Goldman Sachs?
                                http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...26-kagan_N.htm

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