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  • #16
    Re: Lacrosse Tragedy at U of Virginia

    Originally posted by WeWantMore View Post
    Well, right now it's 1st degree murder, so like Swami said, I guess he'll take what he can get.
    I'd be thrilled with first degree. I was thinking crime of passion immediately based on the circumstances of them having dated. I'm not seeing the first degree evidence reported yet.
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    • #17
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      I'm no lawyer, but it will be very, very hard for the prosecution to prove pre-meditiation beyond a reasonable doubt based on the evidence we've heard and seen so far.

      So far, this looks to be a case of a stupid, out of control, and possibly drunken, breakup rage,with intent to injure, that resulted in death.

      Not an accident at all, but probably not pre-meditated first degree murder, either.

      My guess this will be plea-bargained before it gets to trial. I'm sticking with 15-20 years for now.

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      • #18
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        The local Charlottesville paper reported that death threats were made to the young women for a few weeks before she was killed. If that is correct, its going to be a lot tougher to argue this shouldn't be first degree murder. I don't know what constitutes mitigating circumstances in Virginia, but the usual suspects don't appear to be present here.

        This guy could get life in prison and even the death penalty is possible (VA is number 2 behind Texas in number of executions)

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        • #19
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          Originally posted by BoomGoestheDynamite View Post
          The local Charlottesville paper reported that death threats were made to the young women for a few weeks before she was killed. If that is correct, its going to be a lot tougher to argue this shouldn't be first degree murder. I don't know what constitutes mitigating circumstances in Virginia, but the usual suspects don't appear to be present here.

          This guy could get life in prison and even the death penalty is possible (VA is number 2 behind Texas in number of executions)
          If thats true... Plea bargain to avoid the needle might be his only option. So sad.
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          • #20
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            Death threats would indeed prove premeditation if I were on the jury. It would be extremely sad if those threats ended up being true and this somehow wasn't prevented.
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            • #21
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              My local radio host ranted about how the media was quick to pigeon hole lacrosse as a whole. I'm from Northern New York where there are a lot of quality players. Are there a few bad eggs? Yes, but that is with everything. The majority of lacrosse players are quality people.

              As for the victim, what a tragedy. From what I gathered, she was a great person and student. Really sad.
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              • #22
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                In order to be convicted of first degree (intentional) murder, the Prosecution needs to prove the Defendant had a SPECIFIC INTENT to kill another. This speaks to one's state of mind, not their actions, and is very difficult to prove. There is an important distinction between intending to kill and intending to seriously injure, i.e. murder v. aggravated assault. What you might imply from the lawyers statements is that the Defendant has admitted to being angry and becoming violent, maybe even intending to injure. That does not mean he intended death. If that was the case the murder would be reckless or negligent, but not intentional. I.e. 2nd or 3rd v. 1st degree murder.

                If there were written or witnessed verbal death threats, they would implicate some level of pre-meditation. But the context is critical here...

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                • #23
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                  • #24
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                    Here's my viewpoint: this would be covered much differently if these two people were African American. This dude has been in jail for resisting arrest and other sorts of aggravated assault. If he had been black (with the same rap sheet), ESPN wouldn't be labeling it a "tragedy;" even though it is, regardless of race. Anytime someone is murdered it's a tragedy.

                    Not me being racist...I'm saying that the media has those tendencies.
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                    • #25
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                      Originally posted by Dude Love View Post
                      Here's my viewpoint: this would be covered much differently if these two people were African American. This dude has been in jail for resisting arrest and other sorts of aggravated assault. If he had been black (with the same rap sheet), ESPN wouldn't be labeling it a "tragedy;" even though it is, regardless of race. Anytime someone is murdered it's a tragedy.

                      Not me being racist...I'm saying that the media has those tendencies.
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                      • #26
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                        Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
                        Chris Henry, anyone?
                        Pretend Chris Henry wasn't a professional athlete, for all intensive purposes this guy was a nobody.
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                        • #27
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                          Originally posted by Terrierbyassociation View Post
                          Pretend Chris Henry wasn't a professional athlete, for all intensive purposes this guy was a nobody.
                          There might be a class element mixed into this too. I'm not sure what the victim's socioeconomic status is, but the accused definitely comes from a privileged background and rich kids gone bad is always a story that sells.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Lacrosse Tragedy at U of Virginia

                            Originally posted by Terrierbyassociation View Post
                            Pretend Chris Henry wasn't a professional athlete, for all intensive purposes this guy was a nobody.
                            Doesn't really matter, IMO.

                            Then how about Sean Taylor, who was charged with three felony counts (later plea bargained)? That's a little worse than being drunk, resisting arrest and such, and should bridge that pro-college gap.

                            I don't think this would be covered any differently.
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                            • #29
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                              Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
                              Chris Henry, anyone?
                              No one committed a murder in that case.
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                              • #30
                                Re: Lacrosse Tragedy at U of Virginia

                                Originally posted by Dude Love View Post
                                Here's my viewpoint: this would be covered much differently if these two people were African American. This dude has been in jail for resisting arrest and other sorts of aggravated assault. If he had been black (with the same rap sheet), ESPN wouldn't be labeling it a "tragedy;" even though it is, regardless of race. Anytime someone is murdered it's a tragedy.

                                Not me being racist...I'm saying that the media has those tendencies.
                                You are 100% correct. Many lacrosse players are white and tend to play at elite schools and often come from elite, upper income backgrounds. Thus, they are thought by the meida to have more "promise" and a far greater media interest. If these were two African American track athletes at Troy (Ala.) State, the story would be a lot smaller.

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