Obama XI: Turn And Face The Strange

[joecct]

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We'll see. Obama's still got a 48.3 approve vs 44.7 disapprove (RCP average). And the only thing that looks like it might derail an otherwise smooth American recovery is problems in SE Europe.

Until the debt collector comes visiting this country and then people are going to be real upset as the entitlements disappear. I would not want to be a politician when this happens.

[dxmnkd316]

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Until the debt collector comes visiting this country and then people are going to be real upset as the entitlements disappear. I would not want to be a politician when this happens.

If you want to see what it will be like, look at greece right now.

[joecct]

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If you want to see what it will be like, look at greece right now.

I know. But I wonder if the American electorate or body politic does?? I'm thinking not.

[dxmnkd316]

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I know. But I wonder if the American electorate or body politic does?? I'm thinking not.

I think the most common reaction would be: "There's a country called Greece?"

[Priceless]

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Until the debt collector comes visiting this country and then people are going to be real upset as the entitlements disappear. I would not want to be a politician when this happens.

Yeah, but how many years from now is the debt collector finally going to get around to us?

[Priceless]

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I think the most common reaction would be: "There's a country called Greece?"

Silly. Of course people know Greece. That's where salad dressing comes from! And the Olympics used to be there.

[joecct]

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Yeah, but how many years from now is the debt collector finally going to get around to us?

I'm 54. I think it will be in my lifetime, especially if the prolifigate spending continues.

Others will say just raise taxes, but if you raise income taxes, then then underground economy will continue to grow. Bill, myself, and others seem to agree that a fair tax as a replacement for the income tax will destroy the underground economy (which is a good thing).

[huskyfan]

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the last estimate I've heard is 2013!!

but the United States economy is no Greece, thank god!

[Kepler]

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Silly. Of course people know Greece. That's where salad dressing comes from! And the Olympics used to be there.

Also, gay jokes.

[Patman]

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I'm 54. I think it will be in my lifetime, especially if the prolifigate spending continues.

Others will say just raise taxes, but if you raise income taxes, then then underground economy will continue to grow. Bill, myself, and others seem to agree that a fair tax as a replacement for the income tax will destroy the underground economy (which is a good thing).

the "advantage" is that the US can print its own money... though I agree with you... its going to occur sooner than people think... in a terrible way it'll be the epitaph for the boomers... especially as it would lead to an earlier death for them as services (like keeping them alive) recede due to the crisis. In the end their children won't want to take them in because they can't afford them and they have been taught to think only of the immediate now... so it'll become like Japan is today with the elderly. In a horrible way, it'll be fitting.

edit: I find it funny that Greece's "austerity" measures still mean their running a defecit... how is that a solution? The logic on savings and spending doesn't change just because you happen to be a nation... especially if you don't control your own currency.

edit #2: how does the "fair tax" eliminate the "underground economy"... somebody's going to come in and magically tax the black market? Or is it that the government will have such a vested interest on making sure you paid taxes when you paid your baby sitter? What gets taxed? What doesn't?

[5mn_Major]

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I'd like to see a much more efficient govt. But there's no way the US faces a default or serious threats in our lifetime. No chance...but there is a high chance of continued talk of such on message boards like this.

As a side note, flipping through the channels and caught a bit of Huckabee. His 'sermon' is on a moral breakdown driven by love of the almighty dollar (ie derivatives on wall street). Good thing he doesn't have any mirrors around.

oh...and Kagan is officially nominated for the courts.

[dxmnkd316]

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oh...and Kagan is officially nominated for the courts.

It has begun...

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[WeWantMore]

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oh...and Kagan is officially nominated for the courts.

Early talking points for your convenience:
1. Openly gay
2. Raging socialist (Princeton thesis)
3. Anti-military


Get to it GOP!

[Patman]

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I'd like to see a much more efficient govt. But there's no way the US faces a default or serious threats in our lifetime. No chance...but there is a high chance of continued talk of such on message boards like this.

oh? why not? The numbers don't particularly care how moral we are as a society... so, how do we get around this issue?

[Handyman]

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Early talking points for your convenience:
1. Openly gay

Now I know I am taking crazy pills, but shouldn't conservatives not care that someone is openly gay? Isnt it none of our business what someone does in their private life which is kind of what conservatives stand for? (stay out of my life and so on)

Man, if I was a GOPer I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. (insert joke here) I mean that is just flat out bigotry, which means Old Pio will brand you a white hating liberal like he did Patman

In all seriousness, if I was head of the GOP I would leave the gay part out of this, especially with all the gay scandals that have gone on in party of late.