2024 Elections: One Last Chance for Democracy

[burd]

While most of us libs are comfortable believing our fund of knowledge, judgment, and analytical abilities distinguish us from Maggats, I hope we pay some serious mind to Bernie's post-election statement.

[Jeb2020]

Donnie already failing to keep campaign promises.

“I would fix that within 24 hours. And, if I win, before I get into the office, I will have that war settled. A hundred percent sure,” Trump said on Hannity in 2023

So, war in Ukraine all over?

Reminds me of how he said he's eliminate the deficit in his first term "It should be easy" How'd that work out?

And this is the dip**** you losers idolize.

Crap, yup its Hitler

[Jimjamesak]

The fact that Dems don't seem to do well reaching out to "suburban" low/moderate income households is a factor. I truly do mean it when I say that many on the right feel that their lifestyles (hunting/fishing, motorsports, county fairs, country music, culinary traditions, etc.) are firmly looked down upon from the left as a whole. Viewed as "Redneck/Hillbilly". It's a lifestyle that half of this country lives, but a majority of country just sees it as "dumb hillbilly **poop**". That's why they feel pushed away.

The major problem and reason why these "lifestyles" are looked down upon is because they are full of, and the public facing people are generally, ****ing abhorrent people. The defending NASCAR champion is a guy who was suspended for a long period for using the N-word during a broadcast. It's also where "Let's Go Brandon!" came from. Indycar is not much better, any sport that allows Santino Ferrucci to be a face is no good. Small tracks run into the same problem as county fairs, they are really great if you fit in, ie you're white, you go to the same church, and you're Republican. If you are in any way "different" you will be made uncomfortable at best. Country music is the same, it can be great stuff but it's forward facing people are highly racist idiots. As much as we all love hockey, it's not much different. Hockey has a lot of terrible people involved in it, players to management.

[Timothy A]

a single woman who needs an abortion to live, then it needs to be her choice. The only way to ensure that she will get what she needs is to give the choice to the woman in every situation.

You can use scientific medical terms to define under what circumstances it's ok, you know "follow the science". My health insurance has no issues clearly defining what scientific medical terms that they are not going to pay for.

[ericredaxe]

You can use scientific medical terms to define under what circumstances it's ok, you know "follow the science". My health insurance has no issues clearly defining what scientific medical terms that they are not going to pay for.

And yet people in medical offices, still spend hours upon end debating with insurance companies over those medical terms in meetings that get pushed out and delayed week after week.

The “exceptions” sounds nice on paper, but have proven to not work in practice. The safest and most viable option is to let the woman and her doctor make that choice without government interference.

[Jeb2020]

And yet people in medical offices, still spend hours upon end debating with insurance companies over those medical terms in meetings that get pushed out and delayed week after week.

The “exceptions” sounds nice on paper, but have proven to not work in practice. The safest and most viable option is to let the woman and her doctor make that choice without government interference.

Perfect, then take the government out of subsidizing abortion.

[ScoobyDoo]

Donnie already failing to keep campaign promises.

“I would fix that within 24 hours. And, if I win, before I get into the office, I will have that war settled. A hundred percent sure,” Trump said on Hannity in 2023

So, war in Ukraine all over?

Reminds me of how he said he's eliminate the deficit in his first term "It should be easy" How'd that work out?

And this is the dip**** you losers idolize.

Yep. They buy what they want to believe over what is actually true over and over again. I see it in my work every day. Fantasyland trumps all.

No way Democrats can beat fantasyland. It's not possible.

[Jimjamesak]

Yep. They buy what they want to believe over what is actually true over and over again. I see it in my work every day. Fantasyland trumps all.

No way Democrats can beat fantasyland. It's not possible.

It’s not the Dump voting idiots that need a slap to the face wake up call, they’re lost and not worth saving.

It’s the “both sides are the same” idiots that never vote, the ones posting “everything will be fine!” crap. Those are the ones that need a three hole drilling of the reality of a Republican trifecta. Let those folks lose their jobs, let their kids come home traumatized because their friend “just disappeared”. They got protected by the Democrats and the guardrails of democracy during Dump’s first term, now it’s time to learn what happens when those are gone.

[ScoobyDoo]

It’s not the Dump voting idiots that need a slap to the face wake up call, they’re lost and not worth saving.

It’s the “both sides are the same” idiots that never vote, the ones posting “everything will be fine!” crap. Those are the ones that need a three hole drilling of the reality of a Republican trifecta. Let those folks lose their jobs, let their kids come home traumatized because their friend “just disappeared”. They got protected by the Democrats and the guardrails of democracy during Dump’s first term, now it’s time to learn what happens when those are gone.

Won't matter. The vast majority of folks will be fine and they don't give a **** about their neighbors.

[Jeb2020]

It’s not the Dump voting idiots that need a slap to the face wake up call, they’re lost and not worth saving.

It’s the “both sides are the same” idiots that never vote, the ones posting “everything will be fine!” crap. Those are the ones that need a three hole drilling of the reality of a Republican trifecta. Let those folks lose their jobs, let their kids come home traumatized because their friend “just disappeared”. They got protected by the Democrats and the guardrails of democracy during Dump’s first term, now it’s time to learn what happens when those are gone.

Seek help

[unofan]

The fact that Dems don't seem to do well reaching out to "suburban" low/moderate income households is a factor. I truly do mean it when I say that many on the right feel that their lifestyles (hunting/fishing, motorsports, county fairs, country music, culinary traditions, etc.) are firmly looked down upon from the left as a whole. Viewed as "Redneck/Hillbilly". It's a lifestyle that half of this country lives, but a majority of country just sees it as "dumb hillbilly **poop**". That's why they feel pushed away.

Why is it always incumbent on the left to reach out? Those same "suburban" low/moderate income households scorn the left's lifestyles (rap/hip hop, bicycling, art festivals, broadway musicals, book clubs, etc.) just as much. You see plenty of "let's go talk to the average joe in a rural diner" articles in the NYT, WaPo, NBC, etc., but you never see "let's go talk to the average jow at a place in urban ghetto" on Fox News, WSJ, right-wing media.

Blue collar pride can be just as toxic as any liberal elitism. It can hold people back ("that's your edumacation talkin'") just as much, if not more so, than a Manhattanite not knowing how to fish.

[Jimjamesak]

Won't matter. The vast majority of folks will be fine and they don't give a **** about their neighbors.

That’s why I keep saying it: It has to get bad. 20%+ inflation, 30%+ unemployment, troops in the streets. Make it so visible and so terrible that nobody can hide from it.

[ScoobyDoo]

Why is it always incumbent on the left to reach out?

Good question. I don't know. Just like I don't know why anyone would vote for a criminal. They don't like age yet he is the oldest President elect ever. No rule that applies to the Democrats applies to the Republicans.

[RaceBoarder]

The major problem and reason why these "lifestyles" are looked down upon is because they are full of, and the public facing people are generally, ****ing abhorrent people. The defending NASCAR champion is a guy who was suspended for a long period for using the N-word during a broadcast. It's also where "Let's Go Brandon!" came from. Indycar is not much better, any sport that allows Santino Ferrucci to be a face is no good. Small tracks run into the same problem as county fairs, they are really great if you fit in, ie you're white, you go to the same church, and you're Republican. If you are in any way "different" you will be made uncomfortable at best. Country music is the same, it can be great stuff but it's forward facing people are highly racist idiots. As much as we all love hockey, it's not much different. Hockey has a lot of terrible people involved in it, players to management.

Yea, I know that there are some absolutely $h*tty who absolutely fit the stereotype of "Racist White Trash". But there are also 20-30% of people that could go the other way if the case is presented correctly. I'm not saying that you're going to convert the masses from a county in Central Alabama. But you absolutely can convert people in the Rust Belt who decided this election. Read below in my reply to Uno.

Why is it always incumbent on the left to reach out? Those same "suburban" low/moderate income households scorn the left's lifestyles (rap/hip hop, bicycling, art festivals, broadway musicals, book clubs, etc.) just as much. You see plenty of "let's go talk to the average joe in a rural diner" articles in the NYT, WaPo, NBC, etc., but you never see "let's go talk to the average jow at a place in urban ghetto" on Fox News, WSJ, right-wing media.

Blue collar pride can be just as toxic as any liberal elitism. It can hold people back ("that's your edumacation talkin'") just as much, if not more so, than a Manhattanite not knowing how to fish.

The left needs to reach out because those are the votes that won/lost this election. It's the left that needs to pad their numbers moving forward. Where are those new votes gonna come from? I would be willing to bet that many of the under 30 males that voted for Dump this past Tuesday probably have interests in some things "country".

Moving forward, if the D's aren't going to court these kinds of people, they truly need to go all in and make sure that they get every single vote from a major metro area. The Electoral College stacks the deck against them enough as it is. They desperately need to make inroads in "small city" America. Places like Green Bay & LaCrosse, WI, Grand Rapids, MI, Whatever serves as the cultural hub for all the area between Philly and Pittsburg in PA. Cause that's where you have the brackish waters that have people that straddle the line here.

[ScoobyDoo]

Yea, I know that there are some absolutely $h*tty who absolutely fit the stereotype of "Racist White Trash". But there are also 20-30% of people that could go the other way if the case is presented correctly. I'm not saying that you're going to convert the masses from a county in Central Alabama. But you absolutely can convert people in the Rust Belt who decided this election. Read below in my reply to Uno.



The left needs to reach out because those are the votes that won/lost this election. It's the left that needs to pad their numbers moving forward. Where are those new votes gonna come from? I would be willing to bet that many of the under 30 males that voted for Dump this past Tuesday probably have interests in some things "country".

Moving forward, if the D's aren't going to court these kinds of people, they truly need to go all in and make sure that they get every single vote from a major metro area. The Electoral College stacks the deck against them enough as it is. They desperately need to make inroads in "small city" America. Places like Green Bay & LaCrosse, WI, Grand Rapids, MI, Whatever serves as the cultural hub for all the area between Philly and Pittsburg in PA. Cause that's where you have the brackish waters that have people that straddle the line here.

Will not matter one iota.