2024 Elections: One Last Chance for Democracy

[Jeb2020]

I've had 3 days off since Labor Day. Thanks a lot America. I wonder how many of the nearly 300 people I personally registered to vote voted for trump. Our GOTV effort was more coordinated than I've ever seen it before, enlisted more volunteers than ever before, knocked on more doors, made more phone calls, and reached more voters than ever before. What a monumental waste of my time. This election is the last straw. I'm through doing anything political outside of my own obligation to vote. I'm tired of seeing up close and personal more people than I can count who surely voted against their own interests. F uc k them. You got what you wanted and kept a woman from being president. Half of this country can go straight to hell.

^^Not brainwashed, not delusional

lmfao poor little baby.

[Jeb2020]

If that is even close to true I am not sure how long they can pretend he isn't completely screwed. He is getting killed with Women and he won't be making up enough ground with other demographics. An 8 point drop amongst his core demographic has to be seen as a death knell if it holds past the early exit polling.

I did see some fun videos from SC a couple weeks back where the young women at the University of South Carolina all said they supported her because of Abortion. That won't be enough to flip it but its still fun to watch

Still a long way to go but if he is already ranting about Philly then they are getting troubling info there as well.

Lmfao

You definitely get Gimp Retardd of the week.

Holy **** do you say a lot of stupid sh*it, non of which came even close to happening.

[dxmnkd316]

One good thing that will come out of this is that the wars in the middle east and the Ukraine will end on January 21 with fair and just outcomes.

I feel terrible for them. Going to bear the absolute brunt of this.

[dxmnkd316]

Yeah because they rigged it.

Ok, Donnie.

[trixR4kids]

Or you know, Elizabeth Warren https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/02/polit...ged/index.html

[Slap Shot]

I think it's a fair point to concede that the judgement was made in 2021-22. But that wasn't a secret.

And again, I'll repost the point I made this morning:

As a whole, Mookie has a point about the "economy".

Look at the make up of the board here:

- Only two regulars here that I can think of DON'T own a home
- I'd bet more than a few (30-40% ?) make well into the six-figures as a household (or are living at an equivalent economic status internationally)
- You easily support yourself AND kids
- Vacations/Travel (many international) are regular thing
- Y'all have retirement funds established

I've brought this point up many times over the past 3-4 years and I just get talked over. Just saying "corporate greed!!!11!1" doesn't make the situation better while you continuously flaunt the "great" economy numbers. Eventually when you do that enough, you will tick off whomever you are speaking to. As a whole, the board talks down to people who don't have money.

This is a real thing.


There are many involved that simply don't know how to message to people outside of cities and/or white people who are "poor". Even here, I kept getting told to "look at the stats" and explain while I felt the economy was bad. The fact that my discretionary spending went away was lost on most of the board here (save for a select few). Most of y'all just dismissed the point and went back to your much more affluent life.

UE has never been lower and the inflation rate is 2.4% vs. a US historical average of 3.3%.

Meanwhile CEO pay has never been higher, margins have never been higher, stock buybacks have never been more frequent.

US mass media (most of which is operated by conservatives) has hidden these truths from the majority of the public. Don't talk to me about the "situation" when the indicators are not there to back up that argument. This isn't talking down this is talking reality. That a Big Mac meal costs $10 isn't a sign people can't live comfortably.

[rufus]

funny

really wish Brandon would hurry up and pardon hunter!!!

I hope Joe remembers for that the next two months he has immunity.

[rufus]

I love bernie and he’s right about dems leaving some behind

but he likely would not have won

In 2016 Hillary had plans to get the coal miners and everyone else displaced from their jobs due to the changing job landscape, technology, etc, training to transition into new areas of employment.

They weren't having it. "I'm a coal miner. I've always mined coal"

As I said, some people don't want to be reached, no matter how you try to help them. So much easier to just biitch and whine and find someone else to blame for their woes.

And let's not forget that so many of the Jan 6ers were pretty well off, owned their own businesses, comfortably middle class, six figure incomes, and yet, all they did was whine about how they had it so tough in their lives, they could hardly get by anymore, and it was all the gubmint's and the imgrint's fault.

[Kepler]

This election arrested my march Left. Lessons Learned:

• Marx was wrong: economic relations do not drive superstructure. Societies are tribal; economics is window dressing.
• Lasting change is cultural.
• Violence and dislocation cannot be the basis of a stable cultural change. The Marxist prescription of crisis and revolution is as flawed as Accelerationism.
• Therefore, we should aspire to a bell curve with a relatively low amplitude, and within that the most effective position to command a democratic majority, either overtly politically or subversively through culture, is Gradual Left Centrism.

tldr: "Moderation is best in all things." -- Hesiod

[Whalers]

In 2016 Hillary had plans to get the coal miners and everyone else displaced from their jobs due to the changing job landscape, technology, etc, training to transition into new areas of employment.

They weren't having it. "I'm a coal miner. I've always mined coal"

As I said, some people don't want to be reached, no matter how you try to help them. So much easier to just biitch and whine and find someone else to blame for their woes.

Aparch - "My career is built upon the Infratructure act, and my wife's career sits atop Medicare/Medicaid. 71 Million people told us both to go f*ck ourselves, the promise of "cheap gas" is more important than us being employed."

HEY APARCH! Rufus called, for YOU!

[Whalers]

Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post


Yeah because they rigged it.

Ok, Donnie.

Ok, DonnA.

I fixed your post because you are too brilliant to remember. Trixie was referring to the PRIMARY. The DEMS rigged the vote for Hillary - DonnA is Brazile.

Now back to your regularly scheduled hand wringing about where to hide next.

[Jimjamesak]

This election arrested my march Left. Lessons Learned:

• Marx was wrong: economic relations do not drive superstructure. Societies are tribal; economics is window dressing.
• Lasting change is cultural.
• Violence and dislocation cannot be the basis of a stable cultural change. The Marxist prescription of crisis and revolution is as flawed as Accelerationism.
• Therefore, we should aspire to a bell curve with a relatively low amplitude, and within that the most effective position to command a democratic majority, either overtly politically or subversively through culture, is Gradual Left Centrism.

tldr: "Moderation is best in all things." -- Hesiod

The one thing that this election has done is that my empathy is almost gone. In fact, it’s almost reversed. I want suffering and pain, I want this world to descend into a hellscape. Give the people the world they vote for or are too apathetic to fight against.

[unofan]

Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post


Yeah because they rigged it.




Ok, DonnA.

I fixed your post because you are too brilliant to remember. Trixie was referring to the PRIMARY. The DEMS rigged the vote for Hillary - DonnA is Brazile.

Now back to your regularly scheduled hand wringing about where to hide next.

Bernie did better in caucuses, where the party has far more control, than in actual primaries, where you know, it's one person, one vote. He also did better in closed primaries than open ones.

So, you know, that kinda flies in the face of being rigged. But if you all want to channel your inner Trump and claim everyone's persecuting you, go for it.

But why you all want to bring up something that happened 8 years ago is ridiculous.

[ScoobyDoo]

The one thing that this election has done is that my empathy is almost gone. In fact, it’s almost reversed. I want suffering and pain, I want this world to descend into a hellscape. Give the people the world they vote for or are too apathetic to fight against.

This isn't political so I will respond. I will never wish for suffering and pain. However, I am tapped out on sympathy and empathy. And whoever said this, “The Arc of the Moral Universe is Long, But it Bends Toward Justice.” was full of ****.

[trixR4kids]

UE has never been lower and the inflation rate is 2.4% vs. a US historical average of 3.3%.

Meanwhile CEO pay has never been higher, margins have never been higher, stock buybacks have never been more frequent.

US mass media (most of which is operated by conservatives) has hidden these truths from the majority of the public. Don't talk to me about the "situation" when the indicators are not there to back up that argument. This isn't talking down this is talking reality. That a Big Mac meal costs $10 isn't a sign people can't live comfortably.

You're talking about the rate that inflation has gone up by has decreased, we haven't had any deflation which means it's still going up just not by quite as much. It's not just Big Macs, the cost of rent, groceries, insurance, used cars, energy, and pretty much every necessity went up drastically toward the end of Trump's term and never improved under Biden. I have no doubt that this affected enthusiasm for Harris as did her caring more about the Israel lobby than winning the election.

This election arrested my march Left. Lessons Learned:

• Marx was wrong: economic relations do not drive superstructure. Societies are tribal; economics is window dressing.
• Lasting change is cultural.
• Violence and dislocation cannot be the basis of a stable cultural change. The Marxist prescription of crisis and revolution is as flawed as Accelerationism.

I don't think either of these things is true, this country is privileged and still has a relatively high standard of living compared to most the world but the extent of that has declined drastically and it has had an effect on elections. People who were sold the idea that they can go to college and afford a house and maybe a nice thing or two clearly know that isn't the case anymore, it hasn't been true since before 2008 and the electorate just flips every 4 years out of desperation (2012 being the exception in a low turnout election where Mitt Romney was the opponent against a historically gifted campaigner for the dems).

As far as violence I'm not going to advocate that on a college hockey forum but I also don't know what the alternative is for fighting against fascism. Voting for either of the candidates in this election certainly wasn't going to accomplish that though.