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  • Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
    Finally starting to see some chatter about Project 2025 across varying platforms and sources. I don't know how much exposing it will matter, but I'd have to believe there are still some "slightly leaning Trump" that would be swayed to vote Biden/stay home if they actually pay attention to the revelations.

    On the other hand tell me why this shouldn't be worrisome:

    Because everywhere in Iowa outside of 3 cities (Des Moines, Cedar Rapids, Quad Cities) and the 3 college towns (Iowa City, Ames, Cedar Falls) has gone full derp - Iowa was one of two states (the other being Florida) that had the red wave in the 2022 midterms that every other state avoided. Also, the state's democratic party apparatus is abysmal, the Democratic state legislators are feckless and the lone remaining statewide office holder is a nerd. Every single one of them has the charisma of John Kerry. And the one kid who showed some promise and energy and might've had a chance at Governor 2 years ago got handsy with a former law school classmate and had to drop out of the primary.

    Don't use us as a general barometer. There's all sorts of bad juju in Iowa right now. It's farking sad how the state that launched Obama has turned on a dime.
    Last edited by unofan; 06-17-2024, 04:50 PM.

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    • Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post

      If people were actually paying attention, Biden would win 45 states. The majority are not paying attention. If people were actually paying attention in this country seeing how things have been going of late, trump would have already been given the Mussolini treatment since the people who ARE paying attention cannot expect him to face any actual consequences from his actions.
      Informally, of the dozen coworkers I'm around, 50% aren't voting for either (for various reasons) and are either leaving it blank or voting for RFK (despite RFK not being on Illinois ballots at the moment).

      Four are voting for Trump (one because he "doesn't watch Fox or Newsmax" yet keeps showing videos of Biden "wandering aimlessly," or "not finishing sentences." (Yes, I've tried to show him the same Trump videos but those are "doctored by the dems."))

      And then there are two of us voting for Biden. And this is in a blue state, purple suburb.
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      • He aint never gonna be Vice President now.

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        • All y’all don’t wanna believe, but the donald is gonna crush joe. just look at the state numbers.

          crush
          a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.

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          • I hear bc was supposed to crush in St. Paul, too.

            pollsters should be concerned- there will never be another election if he wins

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            • Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
              Finally starting to see some chatter about Project 2025 across varying platforms and sources. I don't know how much exposing it will matter, but I'd have to believe there are still some "slightly leaning Trump" that would be swayed to vote Biden/stay home if they actually pay attention to the revelations.

              On the other hand tell me why this shouldn't be worrisome:

              Iowa is not the rest of the Midwest and does not act as a harbinger of anything. Iowa was never trending Blue...as uno said everywhere outside of cities and college towns has gone complete Red. Driving through Iowa is a completely different experience than driving through Wisconsin. Wisconsin has been doing nothing but trending bluer since 2018. That is why their Supreme Court flipped and why Green Bay now has a Blue City Council. Wisconsin was gerrymandered to Hell and it is all being fixed.

              Hell read the tweet you posted...Lutz is trying to make the inference you are and the tweet you linked said this:

              Making inferences about what is happening in Wisconsin based on what is happening in Iowa is a road to malpractice. The truth is that the two states have been trending in different directions politically since 2004. All one needs to do is look at 2022 in the Governor's races -- Kim Reynolds won by a margin of +18.5% in Iowa, and Tony Evers won by a margin of almost +4% in Wisconsin.
              And Project 2025 is being discussed all over the place...not sure how you are missing it.
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              • Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                All y’all don’t wanna believe, but the donald is gonna crush joe. just look at the state numbers.

                crush
                It isn't about believe, it is about reality. If it was about what I believe trust me it wouldn't even be close.

                Trump isn't going to crush anything...his support amongst Independents is eroding even faster than it did because of COVID. (want to talk numbers, see how his conviction is seen by Indys) He is struggling to get people to show up to his rallies. (and the ones who do show up are leaving early because he has nothing new to say) He is spending almost no money on the actual election and is pocketing everything or using it for his defense and he is struggling to even make coherent sentences. Up until now most of this stuff was ignored or glossed over, but it is front and center of late and he has a debate coming up which his people are already trying to make excuses for. (BIDEN IS ON DRUGS!1!!1!) You don't claim an election you are going to crush is rigged months in advance unless you have a real fear you are going to lose.

                You keep falling for the corporate narratives mookie. And any time you want to bet that NJ and Minnesota are in play I will give you favorable odds and you can name your price.

                Look, it is certainly possible Trump could win...this country has enough lazy and stupid people to make that happen. But he isn't the incumbent and he has a lot of things going against him. If he doesn't find a way to offset the Abortion issue (which he keeps doubling down on his party keep adding more to) he is in real trouble no matter what polling is saying. He also is banking that the misconceptions about the economy are going to hold. Right now the average voter seems to think that they are doing fine but the economy overall is terrible. (in part because that is what they are being told) But that narrative is shifting as well because prices are dropping and oil prices are steady because Biden stuck it to the Saudis. I dont think the border issue plays as well in most states as the media thinks it does so the thing he can nail Biden on is Gaza...of course Trump is way worse on the issue than Biden. He would let Netanyahu flatten it to build a new resort there. He needs to find a way to not only win back Arizona (with Abortion on the ballot and Lake again on the ballot dragging him down) but also GA (which my guess is he will) along with flipping multiple other states. Not impossible, but not very likely either. This isn't poker, he can't bluff his way in. Sooner or later he needs people who didn't vote for him last time to vote for him or he has to pray something significant happens to Dem vote counts. I don't see many Biden voters shifting to an Anti-Vaxxer and the "Liberal" 3rd party people are barely even mentioned anymore. So that means people stay home. Could happen, that is certainly what they are (and corporate media) are banking on. But it is easy to say you are staying home in the summer...if they are saying it in October then I will worry.

                No matter what we think or what we feel, no matter who our choices are, the problem is we are living too deep in it. We are feeding the narratives and the outrage machine. We need to treat all of this like baseball...not every story is the end of the world, not everything is worth paying attention to and not everything is a trend.
                Last edited by Handyman; 06-18-2024, 01:39 PM.
                "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                -aparch

                "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                -INCH

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                • While the electoral college is an abomination and if Americans understood how to actually run a democracy we'd 5hit-can it tomorrow, at least it makes it meaningless as to whether you win a state by one vote or lose it by one vote, or you win it by a million votes or lose it by a million. Iowa is lost -- at least for now -- to the Democrats. Just like Ohio. But states like Wisconsin do appear to be moving, if ever so slowly, into reality. Same with place like North Carolina or Virginia. 270 is all that matters.

                  The thing about our elections right now is we are living in a world where people demand instant gratification. We are not going to fix the vast majority of our problems by re-electing Biden. As was popular to say in both 2020 and 2016, voting for the democratic candidate wasn't necessarily sufficient, but it was vital. We need to continue to preserve this place if we ever want a real chance to make it work the way those of us here know it is supposed to work. But sadly the reverse is no longer true. I don't know if we're one election away from losing it all, but we're sure damn close.

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                  • In House election news, the Republicans are once again setting themselves up for failure as there’s two Republicans running and they’re already cannibalizing themselves.

                    First up is Nick Begich. Back again and still well funded by Americans For Prosperity. He got some blame from the Trump and Palin folks for “costing” Palin the House seat two years ago.

                    Next is Nancy Dahlstrom. Lt. Governor, newly minted Trump endorsee, and almost completely unknown to most of Alaska. Yeah, Trump and the Republicans are putting their weight behind someone who is a complete unknown.

                    Meanwhile, our incumbent Representative Mary Peltola is well known, well funded (she’s already running ads), and is already solidifying the Murkowski coalition. There’s no guarantees but the Republicans are already screwing up.
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                    Originally posted by UAFIceAngel
                    But let's be real...There are 40 some other teams and only two alaskan teams...the day one of us wins something big will be the day I transfer to UAA
                    Originally posted by Doyle Woody
                    Best sign by a visting Seawolf fan Friday went to a young man who held up a piece of white poster board that read: "YOU CAN'T SPELL FAILURE WITHOUT UAF."

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                    • Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                      He is struggling to get people to show up to his rallies. (and the ones who do show up are leaving early because he has nothing new to say)
                      • Illegals Are Peeping In Your Daughter's Window
                      • Stolen Rigged Election
                      • Sleepy Creepy Joe
                      • Crooked Hillary Still Can't Believe She Lost
                      • Sharks Everywhere!
                      • Nancy Pelosi's Daughter Really Told Me This Not-Made-Up Thing
                      Does that cover the standard topic list these days?

                      Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                      Look, it is certainly possible Trump could win...this country has enough lazy and stupid people to make that happen. But he isn't the incumbent and he has a lot of things going against him. If he doesn't find a way to offset the Abortion issue (which he keeps doubling down on his party keep adding more to) he is in real trouble no matter what polling is saying. He also is banking that the misconceptions about the economy are going to hold. Right now the average voter seems to think that they are doing fine but the economy overall is terrible. (in part because that is what they are being told) But that narrative is shifting as well because prices are dropping and oil prices are steady because Biden stuck it to the Saudis. I dont think the border issue plays as well in most states as the media thinks it does so the thing he can nail Biden on is Gaza...of course Trump is way worse on the issue than Biden. He would let Netanyahu flatten it to build a new resort there. He needs to find a way to not only win back Arizona (with Abortion on the ballot and Lake again on the ballot dragging him down) but also GA (which my guess is he will) along with flipping multiple other states. Not impossible, but not very likely either. This isn't poker, he can't bluff his way in.
                      If he had any brain cells at all, my guess is he would concentrate mainly on flipping Georgia and Pennsylvania back, as they are his cleanest path to 270. The rest he'd spend on/in Wisconsin and Michigan to hedge bets in case PA doesn't come through. I don't think Arizona is winnable for him with Eva Bronze on the Senate ballot, but I expect he'll put in his time and money there regardless.

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                      • Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                        • Illegals Are Peeping In Your Daughter's Window
                        • Stolen Rigged Election
                        • Sleepy Creepy Joe
                        • Crooked Hillary Still Can't Believe She Lost
                        • Sharks Everywhere!
                        • Nancy Pelosi's Daughter Really Told Me This Not-Made-Up Thing
                        Does that cover the standard topic list these days?



                        If he had any brain cells at all, my guess is he would concentrate mainly on flipping Georgia and Pennsylvania back, as they are his cleanest path to 270. The rest he'd spend on/in Wisconsin and Michigan to hedge bets in case PA doesn't come through. I don't think Arizona is winnable for him with Eva Bronze on the Senate ballot, but I expect he'll put in his time and money there regardless.
                        The attack ad that Whatever GOP PAC has started running on Mary Peltola is, not a joke, about immigration and the border. If that’s what they’re concentrating on, they’re in serious trouble. Peltola’s already hitting on fisheries protection, oil production, and abortion rights and all the other side has is “IMMIGRANTS! DRUGS! BORDER!”
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                        Originally posted by UAFIceAngel
                        But let's be real...There are 40 some other teams and only two alaskan teams...the day one of us wins something big will be the day I transfer to UAA
                        Originally posted by Doyle Woody
                        Best sign by a visting Seawolf fan Friday went to a young man who held up a piece of white poster board that read: "YOU CAN'T SPELL FAILURE WITHOUT UAF."

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                        • Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
                          The attack ad that Whatever GOP PAC has started running on Mary Peltola is, not a joke, about immigration and the border. If that’s what they’re concentrating on, they’re in serious trouble. Peltola’s already hitting on fisheries protection, oil production, and abortion rights and all the other side has is “IMMIGRANTS! DRUGS! BORDER!”
                          Honest question here. Who are these immigrants? Inuits? Russians?

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                          • Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post

                            Honest question here. Who are these immigrants? Inuits? Russians?
                            No, it's the Meskins and the rest of the brown, swarthy peoples that are going to over-run the snow-white purity of the Alaskan people.

                            The native Alaskan peoples don't count.
                            What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

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                            • Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post

                              Honest question here. Who are these immigrants? Inuits? Russians?
                              The ad seriously goes from the Alaska-Canada border to the US-Mexico border. Like "illegal immigrants are bringing drugs and violence to Alaska" was a serious assertion.
                              U-A-A!!!Go!Go!GreenandGold!
                              Applejack Tells You How UAA Is Doing...
                              I spell Failure with UAF

                              Originally posted by UAFIceAngel
                              But let's be real...There are 40 some other teams and only two alaskan teams...the day one of us wins something big will be the day I transfer to UAA
                              Originally posted by Doyle Woody
                              Best sign by a visting Seawolf fan Friday went to a young man who held up a piece of white poster board that read: "YOU CAN'T SPELL FAILURE WITHOUT UAF."

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                              • Originally posted by rufus View Post

                                No, it's the Meskins and the rest of the brown, swarthy peoples that are going to over-run the snow-white purity of the Alaskan people.

                                The native Alaskan peoples don't count.
                                The same Native Alaskans that have created a Super PAC in support of Peltola.
                                U-A-A!!!Go!Go!GreenandGold!
                                Applejack Tells You How UAA Is Doing...
                                I spell Failure with UAF

                                Originally posted by UAFIceAngel
                                But let's be real...There are 40 some other teams and only two alaskan teams...the day one of us wins something big will be the day I transfer to UAA
                                Originally posted by Doyle Woody
                                Best sign by a visting Seawolf fan Friday went to a young man who held up a piece of white poster board that read: "YOU CAN'T SPELL FAILURE WITHOUT UAF."

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