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  • Jimjamesak
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    Originally posted by MichVandal View Post

    Can't say that I'm a fan of the MLS copying that part of football from the rest of the world. Seems like the rest of the professional leagues do just fine with waiting for them to be 18 for the NHL, 19 for the NBA, +3 from HS for the NFL, HS graduation or 21 for MLB.
    It’s completely different for soccer. The European champions were lead by a kid who turned 17 during the tournament.

    Heck, Cavan Sullivan is already playing professionally. He’s scored in back to back games for Philly’s second team.

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  • MichVandal
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    Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
    Reports are that 14 year old Cavan Sullivan will be in the lineup tonight for the Philadelphia Union. Likely not starting but if he makes an appearance he will break Freddy Adu's record as youngest ever player in MLS.
    Can't say that I'm a fan of the MLS copying that part of football from the rest of the world. Seems like the rest of the professional leagues do just fine with waiting for them to be 18 for the NHL, 19 for the NBA, +3 from HS for the NFL, HS graduation or 21 for MLB.

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  • Jimjamesak
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    Reports are that 14 year old Cavan Sullivan will be in the lineup tonight for the Philadelphia Union. Likely not starting but if he makes an appearance he will break Freddy Adu's record as youngest ever player in MLS.

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  • Jimjamesak
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    Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    Gareth southgate resigns as England coach
    I wonder who the next sucker, wait that’s not the word, it’s manager, will be?

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  • MichVandal
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    Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    Gareth southgate resigns as England coach
    I saw some of the pre-game show where they mentioned the articles demanding he get fired the week prior, and then the apologies for making the final. I'm sure he was the first to demand him get fired for losing that game.

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  • Deutsche Gopher Fan
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    Gareth southgate resigns as England coach

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  • Jimjamesak
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    Originally posted by MichVandal View Post

    Well, to be fair, I've also been to a very full Wembley to see a NZ-Wales rugby match. And two F1 races in Europe. Which had a lot more people than any football match that happens on the continent. One of them even had Ferrari win on home soil- the celebration was wild, but very peaceful.

    But, still, popularity should not be a measure of how bad the fans behave.
    Oh I agree. I think it's ridiculous.

    One of the major problems at the club level is that, in a lot of places, the "ultras" will have effective control of the club and that allows to do the stupid things that they do (flares, fireworks, smoke bombs, racist chanting etc.) pretty much unchecked. It's the double edged sword of having fan control.

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  • MichVandal
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    Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
    You went to two club exhibition games, the functional equivalent of those Hockeyville games the NHL does in preseason. Completely different from a continental championship final.

    It happens mostly at soccer games because that’s really the only sporting event that draws crowds around the world. There are other sports that can draw big crowds in some places sure, India and cricket for example, but soccer’s popularity absolutely dwarfs any other sport.

    Interestly, the most non-soccer related crowd crushes have happened during the Hajj in Mecca.
    Well, to be fair, I've also been to a very full Wembley to see a NZ-Wales rugby match. And two F1 races in Europe. Which had a lot more people than any football match that happens on the continent. One of them even had Ferrari win on home soil- the celebration was wild, but very peaceful.

    But, still, popularity should not be a measure of how bad the fans behave.

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  • Jimjamesak
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    Originally posted by MichVandal View Post

    Actually, how often is this kind of thing seen at non soccer events? Why is it pretty much only soccer games?

    Funny, too- been to the Big House for two international soccer friendlies- and it was just like going to a football game- just less happening.
    You went to two club exhibition games, the functional equivalent of those Hockeyville games the NHL does in preseason. Completely different from a continental championship final.

    It happens mostly at soccer games because that’s really the only sporting event that draws crowds around the world. There are other sports that can draw big crowds in some places sure, India and cricket for example, but soccer’s popularity absolutely dwarfs any other sport.

    Interestly, the most non-soccer related crowd crushes have happened during the Hajj in Mecca.

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  • Jimjamesak
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    Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
    I get CONEMBOL being cheap here with security. So where is the line then? Are we just a place to be exploited by others in the soccer world?
    In a word, yes. To Europe and South America we’re nothing but a piggy bank to be exploited for their own gain. The irony is this whole situation happened at the stadium owned by the guy suing FIFA and US Soccer to enable more of this crap.

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  • SonofSouthie
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    2 wild and crazy guys.

    Colombia Football Federation president Ramon Jesurun and his son Ramon Jamil Jesurun are facing three felony counts of battery on a specified official or employee after being arrested by Miami-Dade police at Hard Rock Stadium following the 2024 Copa Am?rica final.

    The two men were booked into the Turner Guilford Knight Correctional Center just after 4:10 a.m. Monday, according to jail records. The father, 71, and son, 43, are accused of fighting multiple security guards at one of the stadium's tunnels used for the media at around 12:20 a.m. ET as they tried to gain access to the field, according to the arrest report.

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  • MichVandal
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    Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
    Point being, with the Big Four Leagues + NCAA Football, you have absolutely zero incidents of this nature in the past 25 years. But somehow this is expected to just be "Par for the course" here?

    I get CONEMBOL being cheap here with security. So where is the line then? Are we just a place to be exploited by others in the soccer world?

    Or better yet, what happens when a US fan decides that they need to bring their pew pew if this is how things are gonna go down? All you need is that fan outside the stadium when this stuff happens and you have a MAJOR incident.
    Actually, how often is this kind of thing seen at non soccer events? Why is it pretty much only soccer games?

    Funny, too- been to the Big House for two international soccer friendlies- and it was just like going to a football game- just less happening.

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  • RaceBoarder
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    Point being, with the Big Four Leagues + NCAA Football, you have absolutely zero incidents of this nature in the past 25 years. But somehow this is expected to just be "Par for the course" here?

    I get CONEMBOL being cheap here with security. So where is the line then? Are we just a place to be exploited by others in the soccer world?

    Or better yet, what happens when a US fan decides that they need to bring their pew pew if this is how things are gonna go down? All you need is that fan outside the stadium when this stuff happens and you have a MAJOR incident.

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  • Jimjamesak
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    Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
    Looking at the aftermath here, how does soccer ever catch on here?

    Like, seriously, the crowd last night was barbaric and animalistic. People are commenting about how people acted the way they did cause there were NOT police in full riot gear present infront of and inside the stadium. If that is what f?tbol is expected to be here in the States, no thanks.

    And yes, I know "that's how it is elsewhere". Sometimes people need to evolve. This is where we are at with this.
    You should see it when some rogue MLS supporter group sets off a flare, they inevitably get the hammer brought down on them, and then they start *ing about how the league is “too corporate” and “not authentic”. It authenticity requires open flames in crowded groups of people, maybe being fake isn’t so bad.

    It’s always funny watch British YouTubers marvel at the fact that MLS stadiums allow fans to have things like drums and flagpoles.

    It is ridiculous the amount of stuff that happens because of unruly spectators. This exact same kind of thing happened at the Euro final in 2021 and the Champions League final in 2022. Other incidents have happened at finals all around the world in the last decade or so.

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  • RaceBoarder
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    Looking at the aftermath here, how does soccer ever catch on here?

    Like, seriously, the crowd last night was barbaric and animalistic. People are commenting about how people acted the way they did cause there were NOT police in full riot gear present infront of and inside the stadium. If that is what f?tbol is expected to be here in the States, no thanks.

    And yes, I know "that's how it is elsewhere". Sometimes people need to evolve. This is where we are at with this.

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