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  • RaceBoarder
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    Originally posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post

    I mean, it’s not unheard of. Miss something egregious like losing/giving an extra down or letting them play with 12 for a play will usually cost part or all of a crew a game in college.
    The issue is that you have approximately 60 FBS crews with an additional 10-12 "capable" crews at the FCS level. So you have crews that can step up and fill-in. At the NFL level, you can't do that.

    And again, you shoot the confidence of that crew. You see what happens on the golf course when a player is having "head issues". So you want to introduce that into officiating crews? The odds of a lesson being learned are the same as it cracking their confidence and having things snowball.

    The crew knows they effed up. They know it cost them post-season assignments. They will learn from this. What more do you want outside of a public flogging? Again, do you cut a player who drops a pass on the spot?

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  • Spartanforlife4
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    Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post

    So you want to actively start playing "Head Games" with your officiating crews? Have massive swings in confidence acknowledgment mid-season?

    If you spent any time in the officiating world, you would realize that you just hinted at something that flat out destroys officials. Again, it's like putting a player on the practice squad for dropping a pass.
    I mean, it’s not unheard of. Miss something egregious like losing/giving an extra down or letting them play with 12 for a play will usually cost part or all of a crew a game in college.

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  • RaceBoarder
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    Originally posted by Bronco View Post

    If the Ref makes multiple egregious errors in the same season, perhaps put that guy on the Bears-Cards game (like they did to the Lions when we were garbage), and not put him on the game that could decide home field advantage throughout the NFC playoffs. Unless the NFL really needs the extra revenue from the Cowboys hosting them, then sure, get that ref crew in there.
    So you want to actively start playing "Head Games" with your officiating crews? Have massive swings in confidence acknowledgment mid-season?

    If you spent any time in the officiating world, you would realize that you just hinted at something that flat out destroys officials. Again, it's like putting a player on the practice squad for dropping a pass.

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  • RaceBoarder
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    Originally posted by MichVandal View Post

    If it wasn't so obvious, it would not be such an issue. And I would actually put the tripping call into missing what you are seeing- what the ref saw was a leg out and then Hutch going down. What he didn't see was that it was Hutch sticking his foot out that caused him to fall. Bad call, no doubt, but it at least has some real human error built into it.

    The reporting thing- there was literally nothing else going on than the prep for the next play. So it should have been pretty easy to see that a player was talking to him AND rubbing his jersey, and the player who he *thought* was reporting did nothing of that. The whole thing of 70 reporting the entire game for no reason was intentional and set up this specific play. And the refs knew this was a high likelihood since they were told about it before the game.

    And the missed obvious calls of PI earlier in the season?

    Call and make the obvious. And be consistent. Be prepared. Teams spend a lot of time to play for the games, and even go out of their way to make sure the refs can be, too. Don't throw that away because of an assumption.

    Lastly- admit when you failed. The NFL is blaming Detroit and their players because they could not pay attention and see that "this was the situation Dan told me about" so they make a mistake. It's one thing to make a mistake, it's another to not admit it, and even worse to blame the players who did everything right.
    So Detroit didn't make the problem worse by sending three players to talk to the ref when only two were going actually report?

    They got cute with trying to deceive Dallas and confused the officials in doing so.

    The refs screwed up. The crew has been dinged per the evaluation process that is in place. What more do you want?

    Again, this is a mistake that is on par with a wide open receiver dropping a pass that hit them in the numbers. At the NFL level it SHOULDN'T happen, but it does. Humans will be human. That's life.

    Just acknowledge that perfection is NEVER gonna happen with officiating so stop crying about it.

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  • Bronco
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    Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post

    "The Ball hit the receivers hands. He dropped it. He shouldn't be on the field after that play and should be cut before they leave the locker room post game."

    Is that your stance for a dropped pass? What about multiple dropped passes in a year?
    If the Ref makes multiple egregious errors in the same season, perhaps put that guy on the Bears-Cards game (like they did to the Lions when we were garbage), and not put him on the game that could decide home field advantage throughout the NFC playoffs. Unless the NFL really needs the extra revenue from the Cowboys hosting them, then sure, get that ref crew in there.

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  • MichVandal
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    Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
    Once again, the refs make a mistake. People call for their heads. Perfection is the only acceptable outcome for them.

    The NFL hit the crew with bad grades that absolutely hurt their overall grades and possible playoff assignments. What more do you want? A public whipping?
    If it wasn't so obvious, it would not be such an issue. And I would actually put the tripping call into missing what you are seeing- what the ref saw was a leg out and then Hutch going down. What he didn't see was that it was Hutch sticking his foot out that caused him to fall. Bad call, no doubt, but it at least has some real human error built into it.

    The reporting thing- there was literally nothing else going on than the prep for the next play. So it should have been pretty easy to see that a player was talking to him AND rubbing his jersey, and the player who he *thought* was reporting did nothing of that. The whole thing of 70 reporting the entire game for no reason was intentional and set up this specific play. And the refs knew this was a high likelihood since they were told about it before the game.

    And the missed obvious calls of PI earlier in the season?

    Call and make the obvious. And be consistent. Be prepared. Teams spend a lot of time to play for the games, and even go out of their way to make sure the refs can be, too. Don't throw that away because of an assumption.

    Lastly- admit when you failed. The NFL is blaming Detroit and their players because they could not pay attention and see that "this was the situation Dan told me about" so they make a mistake. It's one thing to make a mistake, it's another to not admit it, and even worse to blame the players who did everything right.

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  • RaceBoarder
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    Originally posted by Bronco View Post

    You're right. Expecting a ref to remember a number for .5 seconds is a high bar. My bad. And it isn't like the NFL is just covering for their incompetence since they sent out that press release admitting the mistake....oh ****, they didn't do that either. And surely the NFL hasn't made screwing the Lions into a Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aoJlztc_YA cottage industry. Oops again. Clearly the NFL has the highest standard and wouldn't assign a bad officiating crew to such a high profile game, I mean it would be shocking if this same crew has made a bunch of other high profile errors and STILL was assigned to this game. Wait, you mean there is at least 2 other times this season they've decided the game with either no calls, or bad calls? It almost feels like the NFL wanted this to happen.
    "The Ball hit the receivers hands. He dropped it. He shouldn't be on the field after that play and should be cut before they leave the locker room post game."

    Is that your stance for a dropped pass? What about multiple dropped passes in a year?

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  • Bronco
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    Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
    Once again, the refs make a mistake. People call for their heads. Perfection is the only acceptable outcome for them.

    The NFL hit the crew with bad grades that absolutely hurt their overall grades and possible playoff assignments. What more do you want? A public whipping?
    You're right. Expecting a ref to remember a number for .5 seconds is a high bar. My bad. And it isn't like the NFL is just covering for their incompetence since they sent out that press release admitting the mistake....oh ****, they didn't do that either. And surely the NFL hasn't made screwing the Lions into a Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aoJlztc_YA cottage industry. Oops again. Clearly the NFL has the highest standard and wouldn't assign a bad officiating crew to such a high profile game, I mean it would be shocking if this same crew has made a bunch of other high profile errors and STILL was assigned to this game. Wait, you mean there is at least 2 other times this season they've decided the game with either no calls, or bad calls? It almost feels like the NFL wanted this to happen.

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  • Fighting Sioux 23
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    Originally posted by state of hockey View Post
    It is funny to say that but at the same time downgrade the crew.
    If I read the story correctly, they downgraded the crew for botching the tripping penalty on Dallas' last possession.

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  • Fighting Sioux 23
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    Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
    Once again, the refs make a mistake. People call for their heads. Perfection is the only acceptable outcome for them.

    The NFL hit the crew with bad grades that absolutely hurt their overall grades and possible playoff assignments. What more do you want? A public whipping?
    Well, it was the same crew that botched the Chiefs-Packers game a few weeks ago. To have another high profile mishap (coupled with calling a key penalty on the wrong team) in a big-time game...that really is unacceptable. I don't foresee them officiating the Super Bowl. : p

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  • RaceBoarder
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    Once again, the refs make a mistake. People call for their heads. Perfection is the only acceptable outcome for them.

    The NFL hit the crew with bad grades that absolutely hurt their overall grades and possible playoff assignments. What more do you want? A public whipping?

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  • state of hockey
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    It is funny to say that but at the same time downgrade the crew.

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  • MichVandal
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    Originally posted by bronconick View Post



    Well, yes.
    And people blame Lions fans for thinking the NFL has something out for them. Thank you NFL for confirming it. Blame the players for ref incompetence.

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  • bronconick
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    Originally posted by Bronco View Post
    Campbell should have planned ahead and knew that the refs were incompetent. See, it's Detroit's fault after all!
    -NFL, probably
    Per ProFootballTalk, the NFL believes the Detroit Lions’ deception is to blame for the 2-point fiasco, and they have no intentions on changing the eligibility reporting process.
    Well, yes.

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  • Spartanforlife4
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    There are just two playoff spots remaining in the NFC. Next week if the following happens:

    Falcons over Saints
    Panthers over Bucs
    Bears over Packers
    Vikings over Lions
    Cardinals over Seahawks

    There will be a 7 way tie for the final playoff spot as well as a three-way tie for the NFC South with the teams at 8-9 between the Bears, Packers, Vikings, Saints, Bucs, Falcons, Seahawks. The Bears are in name only as they are eliminated in any potential tiebreakers. In this scenario, the Falcons win the NFC South and the Vikings take the final wild card.

    Right now the Packers and Bucs control their destinies.

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