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  • Handyman
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    Conservatism is needed...there hasn't been a true conservative party for most of my lifetime. What The Right has been since Reagan is a power hungry, government expanding, rights denying group that tells everyone what to do and how to do it. That is not what conservatism is all about.

    If you talk to a real conservative, you will find their beliefs mirror many of ours. They don't want religion in schools, they don't want religion in government. They dont care if Gays get married or if Black People are cast as James Bond. They just want to be left alone and they will in turn do the same. The differences lie in that they want small government and we want a strong federal government. They believe in baby steps and we believe in big leaps. Those are differences that can be handled quite easily.

    The problem is The Right is now in league with a lot of people who hated Republicans as much as they hated Democrats. The Right is beholden to a large group of antiestablishment, antigovernment, anti law terrorists because that is the only way they can make up for the fact that they have no ideas people actually want to elect them on. They are also beholden to Christian Fascists who have a lot of donatable money and and righteous indignation for days.

    In my father's lifetime the conservative movement went from "less power, less spending, less government in your lives" to "do what we say, our way is the only way". That is why America is failing.

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  • RaceBoarder
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    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    I guess I'm struggling to see right vs. left in the current context. It's been 50 years since the right employed facts. 70 since they weren't felons.

    Conservatism has been dead for a long time. At least in this country. I don't know how it revives itself short of war where (lowercase) liberalism prevails. You can still work with people like Scarborough, Steele, Nicole Wallace, etc. But they haven't been in power for 10+ years.
    I get lumped into the current iteration of the "Right" because I lean towards allowing guns to exist (hunting, protection, etc. but need reform from the status quo.). But almost everyone who has left leaning tendencies basically says "fuck your guns" and refuses to acknowledge the depth hunting has as a cultural tradition in this country. That is kind of where I was going with this.

    The polarization works on both ends. There is almost no more middle ground to be had and shared with things.

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  • dxmnkd316
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    I guess I'm struggling to see right vs. left in the current context. It's been 50 years since the right employed facts. 70 since they weren't felons.

    Conservatism has been dead for a long time. At least in this country. I don't know how it revives itself short of war where (lowercase) liberalism prevails. You can still work with people like Scarborough, Steele, Nicole Wallace, etc. But they haven't been in power for 10+ years.
    Last edited by dxmnkd316; 08-11-2022, 01:22 PM.

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  • RaceBoarder
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    The right isn't useless.

    Like Kepler said, by it's nature, it keeps stuff in check. By themselves, having a position with a POV from the "right" isn't something that is super toxic. My POV on how we should approach trans athletes at the high school level is one that comes to mind from the board here. Sometimes progress needs to be slightly delayed in order to make sure all the bases are covered.

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  • Swansong
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    I think having a democracy-loving conservative bloc is incredibly important. Society progresses, but having a group of people committed to society but that take a "hey now, one moment here..." approach is good. Not all progressive ideas are good, and having the sort of devil's advocate is valuable.


    Agree, though, that what passes for modern conservatism is merely "I WANT MY RIGHTS TO BE ABLE TO SUPPRESS YOURS!"

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  • Handyman
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    So the Right is the appendix?

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  • Kepler
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    I wouldn't even call traditional conservatism a benign tumor -- there was a functional utility for conservatism. It was like having brakes. But the Right now is having an open container of TNT sloshing around unsecured in the trunk.

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  • dxmnkd316
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    Originally posted by Kepler View Post

    Me too. That's what conservatives are supposed to be. Humanity makes progress, then we take a breather while the slow people catch up. That's the cycle of liberalism / conservatism that allows humanity to grow but at a pace that doesn't make the dummies too uneasy.

    But conservatism metastasized into fascism here. From an unfortunate but necessary short bus it turned into a rocket launcher.
    That really is the difference isn't it? A benign tumor vs. a cancer. Benign ain't great, but it probably won't kill you. Cancer will.

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  • Kepler
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    Originally posted by psych View Post
    I wish our Conservative Party was simply stuck in the past with no fresh policy ideas.
    Me too. That's what conservatives are supposed to be. Humanity makes progress, then we take a breather while the slow people catch up. That's the cycle of liberalism / conservatism that allows humanity to grow but at a pace that doesn't make the dummies too uneasy.

    But conservatism metastasized into fascism here. From an unfortunate but necessary short bus it turned into a rocket launcher.

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  • psych
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    I wish our Conservative Party was simply stuck in the past with no fresh policy ideas. Ours want to end democracy as we know it. Do the British Tories? I’m thinking no.

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  • Drew S.
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    This is about the tories but very applicable to the problems we face here https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...ervative-party

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  • Jimjamesak
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    One of the positives of Alaska’s new RCV system is the Republican on Republican violence we get in the political ads now. The Murkowski v Tshibaka ads have been hilarious.

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  • rufus
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    Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

    If Jill Biden got heckled buying ice cream, then I feel the same way about it that I expressed regarding the earlier heckling discussion. It's boorish conduct that as a society we should neither engage in nor support. I don't know anything about the ice cream incident, but honestly, I didn't know anything about the other heckling incident either until someone on here started posting about it.
    Except in this case, you don't immediately come running to the board to express your disapproval, not like when its those mean, uncivil leftists doing it to one of your fine upstanding Republican citizens.


    That alone says a lot about what it is about the action that really is the bothersome part to you.

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  • Handyman
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    Originally posted by Kepler View Post

    One word:

    That'll play...

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  • Handyman
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    Originally posted by psych View Post
    More of a platform? They already have a fucking platform. It’s the entire GOP. Their voters want crazy. If “moderates” want crazy, we’re fucked anyways. We all know Ron DeSantis is fucking crazy, but he hides it better to the general public than Trump. Does anyone think Mike Rounds, Randy Feenstra, or Mike Garcia are any less dangerous than MTG because they appear professional?They all vote for the same exact fucking sh-t, and none of it helps democracy.
    Psych fucking gets it.

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