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  • walrus
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    Originally posted by Kepler View Post

    The sound you hear is the 10,000 families who run America having a seizure*.

    * Not really. Between tutors, prep schools, and just outright grade inflation, every one of these failsons will still get into HYP on "merit."
    You mean not really as they own the Supreme Court?

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  • LynahFan
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    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    Interesting. The list I'm thinking of had John's Hopkins and Michigan as 1/2
    Probably overall research spending. Total NSF 2022 outlays to thousands of universities was $6.8B. DoD issued $5B just in grants, plus they have contracts with universities as well, some of which are major (e.g. the Navy's contract with JHU for APL runs around $2B per year).

    Cornell's policy is that the entire concept of "classified research" is incompatible with the mission of an academic institution to generate and disseminate knowledge. Cornell Faculty Handbook: "Given the open nature of Cornell University, research projects which do not permit the free and open publication, presentation, or discussion of results are not acceptable. Nor will the university enter into any agreements unless the principal and co‐principal investigators have the final authority on what is to be published or presented. In particular, research which is confidential to the sponsor or which is classified for security purposes is not permitted at Cornell University."

    Without that funding source, Cornell professors have little choice but to go vacuum up all the NSF funding they can get their hands on. :-)

    (Edit to add my usual snipe that it's ridiculous to include APL's Navy funding in the JHU total for research. The vast majority of what they do is either product development, or working with OEMs to evaluate *their* products for certification or safety assessments, etc. The USAF does all those same functions in house - the fact that the Navy "outsources" those functions to APL is just a choice that the Navy has made over the last 80+ years. And I say this as someone whose uncle (my namesake and childhood idol) worked his entire career at APL. No doubt that APL does great work - but so do Lockheed and Raytheon, and they don't try to pretend that it's academic research.)
    Last edited by LynahFan; 07-03-2023, 03:26 PM.

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  • dxmnkd316
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    Ah. Here it is.

    https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/profiles/s...source&ds=herd

    total spend.

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  • dxmnkd316
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    Interesting. The list I'm thinking of had John's Hopkins and Michigan as 1/2

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  • Kepler
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    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post

    Wonder if Harvard is still in the top ten of NSF recipients.
    Per this, not on 2022. Harvard is 37th.

    1. Washington
    2. Cornell
    3. Woods Hole Oceanographic
    4. Colorado
    5. Illinois Urbana-Champaign
    6. UC San Diego
    7. Michigan
    8. Wisconsin
    9. Columbia
    10. Texas

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  • dxmnkd316
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    Originally posted by LynahFan View Post

    Sure....so long as they don't take a federal dollar for anything.
    Wonder if Harvard is still in the top ten of NSF recipients.

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  • LynahFan
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    Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post

    Stupid question perhaps without reading the story, but will this prove futile in court as it relates to private institutions?
    Sure....so long as they don't take a federal dollar for anything.

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  • Slap Shot
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    Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    Lawsuit filed challenging legacy admissions to schools

    https://twitter.com/amywestervelt/st...3v2cVkMjQylOVg
    Stupid question perhaps without reading the story, but will this prove futile in court as it relates to private institutions?

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  • Kepler
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    Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post

    Barring that, just end the "Gentleman's C". If we're going to let Richard Fromage Rottweiler IV into Harvard or Yale because Rottweiler III wrote the school a fat check, the kid should at least have to show up to class and try, and if he flunks out he doesn't get a pass.
    Does the Eliot Lounge still have the photo of Bobby Kennedy drinking there while he was taking his exams at Harvard?

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  • FadeToBlack&Gold
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    Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    Lawsuit filed challenging legacy admissions to schools

    https://twitter.com/amywestervelt/st...3v2cVkMjQylOVg
    Barring that, just end the "Gentleman's C". If we're going to let Richard Fromage Rottweiler IV into Harvard or Yale because Rottweiler III wrote the school a fat check, the kid should at least have to show up to class and try, and if he flunks out he doesn't get a pass.

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  • Kepler
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    Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    Lawsuit filed challenging legacy admissions to schools

    https://twitter.com/amywestervelt/st...3v2cVkMjQylOVg
    The sound you hear is the 10,000 families who run America having a seizure*.

    * Not really. Between tutors, prep schools, and just outright grade inflation, every one of these failsons will still get into HYP on "merit."

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  • Deutsche Gopher Fan
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    Lawsuit filed challenging legacy admissions to schools

    https://twitter.com/amywestervelt/st...3v2cVkMjQylOVg

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  • Bronco
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    So the whole 'rouge court' accusations by the GQP were just more confessions? I am shocked.

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  • Bronco
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    Originally posted by French Rage View Post
    SCOTUS takes up fake cases but Roberts wants to remind you not to be mean to them.
    Going to need to up the law enforcement by 10,000 officers.

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  • French Rage
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    SCOTUS takes up fake cases but Roberts wants to remind you not to be mean to them.

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