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Naively as a layman, I would think long-term scalable storage is one of those things that's just a matter of time. It smells like an extrapolation from current knowledge and technology. No "then a miracle occurs" leap is necessary (as was with e.g. semi-conduction or entanglement).
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Let me ask a massively naive question. The Earth rotates. That is a **** ton of kinetic energy. Is there any way to skim that off directly? I understand that wind and tidal sources are indirectly tapping it.Cornell University
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ECAC Champion 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1973, 1980, 1986, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2005, 2010
Ivy League Champion 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1977, 1978, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1996, 1997, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2012, 2014, 2018, 2019, 2020Comment
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You want energy independence, then you need to get power from all available resources. The fact that you are "well, but" just says that you are another BS'er who pretends to care.Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
Every MWhr of wind we get for electricity is another MWhr of HC that we don't import, based on your "desire".Comment
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It doesn't do much good to have power if you can't use it. If the wind is blowing at 2am and everyone is asleep, what good is it? Somehow the grid has to figure how to put all the sources together. Base load is pretty important unless you want to have black outsOriginally posted by MichVandal View Post
The senate energy bill put the tax credit for residential solar back to 30%, it was down to 26% this year, 22% next year and then gone. I think its back to 30 % in 22 so yea for me getting 30% instead of 26%I swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell.
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This is the main problem with selling the idea of clean energy to the general population...Originally posted by walrus View Post
There are complexities that they never think about (and don't want to)...It's never too early to start the Pre-game festivities
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McConnell isn't incompetent.Originally posted by aparch View PostCode:As of 9/21/10: As of 9/13/10: College Hockey 6 College Football 0 BTHC 4 WCHA FC: 1
Originally posted by SanTropezOriginally posted by bigblue_dlHe's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North WestOriginally posted by KeplerComment
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with the $ strength recently gas is now $1.16/gallon herea legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.Comment
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You are missing the point- while you are correct at 2am when the wind isn't blowing, when it's 3pm and the wind is at 20mph, you are offsetting HC's that would be burnt to make up for that need. If the desire is to be energy independent, saving every HC you can is required. We have the flexibility to have various HC's be burnt to make up when the wind is not blowing, so using the wind when you can will make sure that you minimize the amount of HC's imported.Originally posted by walrus View Post
Do people *really* want to be energy independent, or are they just saying that to burn more HC's for the sake of burning them?Comment
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The point that I'm trying to make is using other sources as offsets for imported HCs. Some people want to pretend that we want to be more independent (even though we already are), but instead of using all sources, they just want to "drill baby drill."Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
There are more reasons than being clean to use wind or solar.Comment
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Or we also start developing energy storage techniques. Reservoirs, flywheels, batteries, pressurized gas, etc.
Night loads will always be trickiest. But we're a nation of brilliant scientists and engineers. It's not like it's an unsolvable problem. People like sic are just intellectually lazy as ****.Code:As of 9/21/10: As of 9/13/10: College Hockey 6 College Football 0 BTHC 4 WCHA FC: 1
Originally posted by SanTropezOriginally posted by bigblue_dlHe's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North WestOriginally posted by KeplerComment
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This. It’s such a **** poor excuse to just keep burn, burn, burning fossil fuels to own the libsOriginally posted by dxmnkd316 View PostComment
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At the moment baseload just can't be turned off and on because a gust of wind came up, thats the real point and the big issue with the grid and renewables.Originally posted by MichVandal View PostI swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell.
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You do realize that wind farms are put into locations where the wind is pretty consistent, right? They are not going just anywhere.Originally posted by walrus View Post
Again, I don't disagree that the variability is an issue. But if people *really* want independence, well, wind and solar must be part of it. Both can reasonably be predicted at their respective locations, so CNG plants can throttle pretty well. You make it sound as if there's not many decades of wind power, and we are just beginners....
Whatever it takes to not import a barrel of oil has to be part of the system, else people that claim to want it are just full of it.Comment
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