$5 Gas... It's De-Ja-Vu All Over Again...

[SonofSouthie]

This is impressive, if it happens, which I'll believe when it happens.

What did we give Manchin?

WASHINGTON — In a twist of fate, Congress is suddenly poised to pass the most ambitious climate bill in U.S. history, largely written by a senator from a coal state who became a millionaire from his family coal business and who has taken more campaign cash from the oil and gas industry than any of his colleagues have.

That senator, Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., managed to win several major concessions for the fossil fuel industry in the $369 billion climate and energy package, which was made public on Wednesday by Senate Democrats. Manchin’s vote is critical in the evenly divided chamber because no Republicans support the bill.

The measure requires the federal government to auction off more public lands and waters for oil drilling. It expands tax credits for carbon capture technology that could allow coal or gas-burning power plants to keep operating with lower emissions. Manchin also secured a promise from Democratic leaders to vote on a separate measure to speed up the process of issuing permits for energy infrastructure, potentially smoothing the way for projects like a natural gas pipeline in West Virginia.

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/20...-got-drilling/

Wonder what they'll have to give Sinema?

[walrus]

You do realize that wind farms are put into locations where the wind is pretty consistent, right? They are not going just anywhere.

Again, I don't disagree that the variability is an issue. But if people *really* want independence, well, wind and solar must be part of it. Both can reasonably be predicted at their respective locations, so CNG plants can throttle pretty well. You make it sound as if there's not many decades of wind power, and we are just beginners....

Whatever it takes to not import a barrel of oil has to be part of the system, else people that claim to want it are just full of it.

There are lots of wind farms in Maine, some of which I see on a regular basis. Lots of times the windmills are stationary so either they have the brakes on or there isn't enough wind to turn the blades or possibly they don't need the power?

Maine has a huge windmill project in the Gulf Of Maine, 600 foot towers floating like a drill rig with turbines on top. 600 foot towers dwarf anything we have on land. Lots of controversy about it but if you want consistent wind, the Gulf is where you will find it.

[Chuck Murray]

You do realize that wind farms are put into locations where the wind is pretty consistent, right? They are not going just anywhere.

Again, I don't disagree that the variability is an issue. But if people *really* want independence, well, wind and solar must be part of it. Both can reasonably be predicted at their respective locations, so CNG plants can throttle pretty well. You make it sound as if there's not many decades of wind power, and we are just beginners....

Whatever it takes to not import a barrel of oil has to be part of the system, else people that claim to want it are just full of it.

Any discussion of moving away from fossil fuels that doesn't include nuclear is incomplete.

Greener that fossil fuels, more reliable than wind and solar, but some ideologues just can't cope ...

[MichVandal]

Any discussion of moving away from fossil fuels that doesn't include nuclear is incomplete.

Greener that fossil fuels, more reliable than wind and solar, but some ideologues just can't cope ...

I don't disagree about that at all. For all of the want of energy independence, all other sources are needed. But there's a lot more visible opposition to wind and solar than nuclear.

Can't rely on "drill baby drill" to not import HCs.

[ScoobyDoo]

Nuclear or no nuclear is pointless. The ship has sailed. We have destroyed the planet. Everyone enjoy giving buckets of money to the latest disaster in a state that votes for Fossil Fuels.

[dxmnkd316]

Nuclear or no nuclear is pointless. The ship has sailed. We have destroyed the planet. Everyone enjoy giving buckets of money to the latest disaster in a state that votes for Fossil Fuels.

This is so extraordinarily unhelpful and unhealthy

[Handyman]

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/20...-got-drilling/

Wonder what they'll have to give Sinema?

A new handbag?

[cF[Authentic]]

*restart ND and TX production; restarting Keystone XL

What's stopping the oil companies from resuming oil production in ND? Need more socialism so they can continue to make billions in profits while ****ing over the land?

[ScoobyDoo]

This is so extraordinarily unhelpful and unhealthy

You know what would be really helpful? Someone with real power actually giving a ****.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

You know what would be really helpful? Someone with real power actually giving a ****.

Please stop

[Kepler]

This is so extraordinarily unhelpful and unhealthy

I'm pretty close to putting him on Ignore. I like him and he's an ally but Jesus **** the Defeatism Litany is selfish and cringe.

Nazis want us to curl up in a little ball. They love the culture of cynicism and sarcasm and bitterness. The thing they cannot fight is idealistic, bright-eyed, indefatigable practicality: "You block the door with vote suppression, fine, we'll get in through the window. You board up the windows with your money, we'll tunnel in under the floor. Life finds a way."

Scoob is trapped in the bygone days of Democratic Learned Helpelessness. He think's he's the wise-cracking hero of the movie, but that movie's been played a million times since Reagan and it always ends the same way. He may be young, I don't know him, but he has the Old Disease that was behind the failures of Clinton and Pelosi.

[ScoobyDoo]

Found this today which makes me feel a little better.

https://www.mic.com/impact/climate-change-good-news

[Slap Shot]

Why restart Keystone? The majority of the oil would be exported first of all, oil is a globally traded commodity, never mind the average monthly production of US crude has only been higher one year than it has been so far in 2022:

YEAR AVE
2005 5,185
2006 5,086
2007 5,074
2008 4,999
2009 5,356
2010 5,485
2011 5,672
2012 6,522
2013 7,496
2014 8,788
2015 9,442
2016 8,845
2017 9,356
2018 10,937
2019 12,286
2020 11,324
2021 11,244
2022 11,525

[ScoobyDoo]

That is what is so angry inducing. We are a net exporter of oil, yet because of "globalization" we end up paying huge gas prices and giving oil companies massive record profits this year. All while allowing them to shutdown refinery capacity that already was strained just a few years ago? I seem to remember may discussions on that and how hard it was to build refineries in the United States.

[aparch]

Also, I'm pretty sure someone on here did an explainer which showed how US refineries aren't set up to work with the gritty oil sands from Canada and Dakotas, and has to be shipped overseas anyway.


I also love the conservative talking point of "Build Keystone XL!" like oil dug by a Canadian company on Canadian soil, shipped to a Canadian owned port in Texas and sold to some overseas company whereby the Canadian firm keeps the profits somehow benefits America. Because capitalism?