Cops: No Snarky Nor Positive Title

[ScoobyDoo]

Just keep shooting em. What could go wrong?

[Kepler]

I think you're thinking of SteveP...he was a Toronto cop IIRC...

That's right. I mix them up.

Carry on.

[rufus]

Uncle Tim.

Gee, why would the GOP put Tim Scott front and center on their 'police reform' efforts? Hmmmmmmm.

As to your previous link, where were all those many hundreds and thousands of 'good cops'?

[Kepler]

Gee, why would the GOP put Tim Scott front and center on their 'police reform' efforts? Hmmmmmmm.

https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-l...ersity/2868074 (from 1988)

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-l...ersity/2868074 (from 1988)

Fine Hollywood tradition,
I gave advice on what to do.
But now I have a more modern position.
I play the maids in prime-time, too.

I played the maid who has a hearty laugh.
I played the maid who’s pale-faced daughter tried to pass.
I was the maid who taught Shirley Temple how to dance.
I play the maids, I play the maids.
I am merry, and I play the maids.

[rufus]

That's disgusting. We're consistently seeing during these protests that it's not just one or two bad apples.

https://twitter.com/RexChapman/statu...364979716?s=20

This is 100% on the front officer being a dick and then everyone just ready to jump the guy.

And why was he being a dick? because he could. Simple as that. Those people needed to respect his authoritah, or else they get learned how to.

I assume that got written up as assault on a police officer.

[Kepler]

Fine Hollywood tradition,
I gave advice on what to do.
But now I have a more modern position.
I play the maids in prime-time, too.

I played the maid who has a hearty laugh.
I played the maid who’s pale-faced daughter tried to pass.
I was the maid who taught Shirley Temple how to dance.
I play the maids, I play the maids.
I am merry, and I play the maids.

I’ve been alive for a long time,
And I played the very first maid.
I cooked the buns,
Nursed the chillings,
Did the house work.
I didn’t care if I got paid.

I played the maid who made the whole world laugh.
I played the maid who sewed Ms. Scarlet’s drapery dress.
I played the maid who helped Mae West get Cary Grant.
I play the maids I played the ma-a-id,
zip-id-dee-do-da.

[SJHovey]

IINM Hovey is a former cop. He was always 99% likely to see this from the POV of cops. Very few people can step back and look dispassionately at their own experiences. They are, after all, their experiences. They were there. All the normal cognitive biases are operating, and on top of them everybody firmly believes they can compensate for those biases.

Think of it like this. Other than actual avowed white supremacists, all white people think they have a handle on racism and think they aren't more than a shade racist. However, the majority of white people are very racist and a substantial percentage of white people are OFF THE CHARTS racist. Yet if you asked us we would all say "I'm racist in that it's a virtually unavoidable part of growing up in a racist society but I try really hard to be better than that and mostly I think I succeed." Every white thinks this, even (especially) Republicans.

Cops are no different about having exaggerated ideas about themselves. And now on top of that add in that white esprit de corps is minimal or even frowned upon while cop esprit de corps is maximal and highly encouraged. That siege mentality means cops have enormous incentive to see themselves as not blameworthy. Soldiers who commit or condone atrocities are the same. Hovey's not a jerk, he's just a human being who comes out of a particular POV-forging experience which most of us don't share. Something something cast the first stone something.

Not a cop. Never been a cop. I remember playing one once as an eight year old, though.

I've never said policing is perfect or without need for some significant changes. But when a halfwit with a bullhorn stands up in a public park and chants "Defund the Police," and two hours later that becomes public policy for some political leaders, or when they think they can wave a magic wand and just wish the current police department away and replace it with squads of social workers who are going to go out and solve all of the community's law enforcement problems by getting people to talk about their feelings, yeah I'm going to come on here and write some posts mocking that.

I'm glad to see that even the Minneapolis City Council has realized that getting rid of the police department is a stupid idea.

I honestly don't think there are easy ways to solve this problem. I don't think throwing money and minority communities will necessarily solve it, although those communities could certainly use additional funding and assets. I don't think getting rid of the Bob Kroll's of the world solves it, because unions are always going to elect the most strident among them to be their bulldog.

I don't even think that getting rid of unions or making it a lot easier to fire cops will solve the problem. We've tried a million times things like civilian review boards, and they always get run over.

I think it was during the Ferguson events when I first posted this, and I know I've posted it regarding sexual assault cases, but I think a major problem is the refusal of prosecutors to charge anyone except those where they think they have a slam dunk case, or those where intense public pressure forces their hands. Prosecutors have to be less concerned about their 95% conviction rate and more concerned about charging people they think committed a crime. So what if you lose half the cases. If you win half, that's some bad cops you'll take off the streets, even if you only get them on a lesser charge. Any sort of felony will knock them out of law enforcement.

[rufus]

For Hovey, a chart showing police calls in New Orleans for 2019.

[Kepler]

Not a cop.

Turns out I have been conflating you with SteveP, like I only realized Slap Shot and Scooby were different last year.

S's are confusing.

[SJHovey]

For Hovey, a chart showing police calls in New Orleans for 2019.

Thanks. That'll come in handy.

[cF[Authentic]]

I've never said policing is perfect or without need for some significant changes. But when a halfwit with a bullhorn stands up in a public park and chants "Defund the Police," and two hours later that becomes public policy for some political leaders, or when they think they can wave a magic wand and just wish the current police department away and replace it with squads of social workers who are going to go out and solve all of the community's law enforcement problems by getting people to talk about their feelings, yeah I'm going to come on here and write some posts mocking that.

You seem much more concerned about someone using a bullhorn to say a catchy phrase than the police using significantly violent measures.

[Kepler]

He's taking the philosophical view. When a cop murders a black guy we can't help the black guy, he's dead. But we can soothe the cop's feelings.

Won't somebody think of the feelings?

[rufus]

The trauma that cop has to go through, a guy dying at his own hands. How can someone be expected to go on with their life normally after such a horrifying event?

[Kepler]

The trauma that cop has to go through, a guy dying at his own hands. How can someone be expected to go on with their life normally after such a horrifying event?

He should really be entitled to some compensation from the black guy's family for putting him through this.