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  • #61
    Originally posted by Kepler View Post

    Everything below one's ability to comprehend is stupid. Everything above is pretentious.
    You think your insight is above my comprehension. Oh honey you need to hang out with stoners more often. Actually that might be the perfect crowd for you!

    Maybe I will get completely baked tonight and reread this part of the thread and see if it hits home

    But now...back to the cops! (not Cops)

    edit: Ugh...I just noticed no emoticons. Everything I posted was supposed to have one to signify all of this was total snark. Seriously this new setup blows.
    Last edited by Handyman; 06-10-2020, 11:32 AM.
    "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
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    • #62
      Originally posted by Handyman View Post

      You think your insight is above my comprehension. Oh honey you need to hang out with stoners more often.
      People who have no trouble slotting themselves in beauty will fight to the death against slotting themselves in intelligence.

      You're no Cary Grant, my friend. It's not a crime; few are. Hush now.
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      • #63
        Originally posted by Kepler View Post

        People who have no trouble slotting themselves in beauty will fight to the death against slotting themselves in intelligence.

        You're no Cary Grant, my friend. It's not a crime; few are. Hush now.
        Cary Grant? You know every time I feel I am old you post something like that and make me like a teenager again. (insert snark emoticon here since this new barebones vbulletin can bite me)

        "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
        -aparch

        "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
        -INCH

        Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
        -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Handyman View Post

          That isnt a new idea...that is just being pretentious

          Cops is no different than the Iron Chef used to be. It is a stupid show of little to no value, there is o greater meaning behind it...except that large quantities of people watch stupid stuff
          Leave Iron Chef alone. The American version sucked, but the original Japanese version was awesome.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Handyman View Post

            Cary Grant? You know every time I feel I am old you post something like that and make me like a teenager again.
            I was going to go with John Barrymore.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post

              Leave Iron Chef alone. The American version sucked, but the original Japanese version was awesome.
              Being the only sober person watching with a bunch of drunks and stoners:



              Until emoticons are back I will replace them with gifs and pictures.
              "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
              -aparch

              "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
              -INCH

              Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
              -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

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              • #67
                A guide to how naive and delusional whites are.
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                • #68
                  Last edited by Handyman; 06-10-2020, 12:59 PM.
                  "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                  -aparch

                  "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                  -INCH

                  Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
                  -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

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                  • #69
                    Yes, well.
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Handyman View Post

                      Yes it must have a police force...it doesnt say it has to be this police force. As long as they hire other officers to replace the MPS they arent violating the charter by dissolving the MPS. That is why that point isnt brought up more.

                      That is why this is going to be a slow moving process. They need something in place with a minimal number of officers as soon as they dissolve the current brand.
                      So you think that if you have a big group of unionized employees working for you that you don't like, and you really don't like their union agent, that you can just magically wave your hand and tell them they are all fired and you get to go out and hire a brand new group of people to come in and perform some or all of the same duties and they're not in the union anymore and they're not represented by the union agent you don't like, and all is good? That's how you think labor law works?

                      I think there are a lot of employers out there that will be really curious to see if you're right.

                      If the City of Minneapolis just decides to disband its police force and farm it out to someone else to do (after they amend their Charter) they can do that. They'll have to negotiate the effects of that with the cops, but it can be done.

                      However, if the City of Minneapolis decides to keep operating a police force, just not the current police force, and they think they're just going to let go all the current cops and face no recourse, my response to them is good luck. The City will find themselves with a newly named law enforcement group made up of the same cops who are in the current group. But hey, it'll have a new name.

                      Everyone's darling is Camden, NJ. That's probably the first, and almost certainly the last, anyone will ever write that. Camden dissolved their police force and magically turned their city into utopia.

                      But what really happened in Camden?

                      Camden had something like 220 cops. They were dirty (it's New Jersey, so I shouldn't have to type that, but I did.)

                      According to current urban legend, they fired all the old cops and hired all new cops and solved all their problems. What really happened is that Camden fired their 220 cops and told them they'd have to reapply for their jobs with the newly named county department. Something like 155 of them did, and were immediately rehired. About 65 chose not to apply for the new force, for reasons that aren't clear to me.

                      Camden then went out and doubled the size of the new force bringing it up to more than 400 officers.

                      So yeah, they ended up with 400 cops, 250 of them were brand new and were presumably not corrupt (I only say presumably because, New Jersey). But did they do that by really getting rid of the old force and hiring a new force? Not really. 70% of the old force came to work for the new force, and who knows, if the rest had chosen to apply that percentage might have been even higher. The way they got a new force, essentially, was by doubling the size of the force itself.

                      We all know, based upon conversations everyone had with Rube, that adding more cops is not the answer, although apparently in the utopia known as Camden, NJ, it is.

                      Is that your plan for Minneapolis?
                      That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

                        So you think that if you have a big group of unionized employees working for you that you don't like, and you really don't like their union agent, that you can just magically wave your hand and tell them they are all fired and you get to go out and hire a brand new group of people to come in and perform some or all of the same duties and they're not in the union anymore and they're not represented by the union agent you don't like, and all is good? That's how you think labor law works?

                        I think there are a lot of employers out there that will be really curious to see if you're right.

                        If the City of Minneapolis just decides to disband its police force and farm it out to someone else to do (after they amend their Charter) they can do that. They'll have to negotiate the effects of that with the cops, but it can be done.
                        Worked when Saint Ronnie fired the air traffic controllers.

                        What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

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                        • #72
                          Sometimes, the internet works. Moron tells Tom Morello he used to be a fan until Morello's political opinions came out...internet (and Morello) respond as can be expected.

                          https://news.avclub.com/man-criticiz...-po-1843979630

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by DisplacedCornellian View Post
                            Sometimes, the internet works. Moron tells Tom Morello he used to be a fan until Morello's political opinions came out...internet (and Morello) respond as can be expected.

                            https://news.avclub.com/man-criticiz...-po-1843979630
                            Yup. This doofus listed his location as my soon to be former suburb. One of many reasons I'm glad to finally be leaving.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by rufus View Post

                              Worked when Saint Ronnie fired the air traffic controllers.
                              That's not even close to the same thing. The air traffic controllers were out on strike and Reagan ordered them back to work because of national interests. When they refused to come back, they were engaged in an illegal strike and he was free to fire them.

                              If these cops decided to go on strike because everyone is saying mean things about them, in Minnesota at least that would be an illegal strike because cops are considered essential workers and are not allowed to strike. At that point the City would be free to fire them all.

                              My guess is that the union won't put the cops out on strike and fall into that trap, but who knows.
                              That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by rufus View Post

                                Worked when Saint Ronnie fired the air traffic controllers.
                                The air traffic controllers were illegally striking, and were offered more than one chance to return. Firing them -- regardless of whether or not you agree with the tactic -- was legal. Firing the entire Minneapolis Police Department is not practical, and short of verifiable misconduct on the part of everyone fired (although for the sworn officers there is probably good cause to fire at least half of them right now) against the rules both sides agreed upon.

                                Strange that 1981 saw two of the more famous strikes in labor history and the outcomes could not have been further apart. The air traffic controllers' strike was one of the most ill-informed, ill-timed and disastrous strikes ever, as it resulted in the nearly the entire membership losing their jobs and very few ever working in the industry again. On the other end of the spectrum was the Major League Baseball players's strike. It was actually timed perfectly, the players were as well-prepared as any group of strikers in any strike I have ever studied, was highly principled (it created far more wealth for players to come, not the ones striking) and was as successful a strike as it could be in terms of the dollars it created for current and (especially) future members.

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