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  • #31
    And I'm a queer. We've never had a good relationship with cops. Knowing they've been firing on gay bars makes me like them even less.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by alfablue View Post

      I don't get why that is on TV. And I bet if one studied the show, you would see the blatant racism in the police system.
      I've watched LivePD a few dozen times and I was very, very surprised at their restraint vs. what you might expect to see given the true horror stories we've seen the past few weeks, and well a lot longer than that. I didn't pick up on them singling blacks out, and I was surprised how often they asked a white person to step out of their vehicle. I have to suspect that c.o.'s made it abundantly clear to any officers our there being followed by a crew that they didn't eff up while the cameras were rolling. Because the good behavior was far too prevalent compared to all the horror stories out there.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post

        I've watched LivePD a few dozen times and I was very, very surprised at their restraint vs. what you might expect to see given the true horror stories we've seen the past few weeks, and well a lot longer than that. I didn't pick up on them singling blacks out, and I was surprised how often they asked a white person to step out of their vehicle. I have to suspect that c.o.'s made it abundantly clear to any officers our there being followed by a crew that they didn't eff up while the cameras were rolling. Because the good behavior was far too prevalent compared to all the horror stories out there.
        Remember that whites outnumber blacks by about 6:1. So unless there are 6 whites being taken out of their car for every one, it's not balanced.

        It's similar to the argument that timmy made- that more whites are shot than blacks- which is technically correct by about 2:1. But it ignores the fact that blacks are 3x more likely to be shot and killed by cops than whites.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by alfablue View Post

          Remember that whites outnumber blacks by about 6:1. So unless there are 6 whites being taken out of their car for every one, it's not balanced.

          It's similar to the argument that timmy made- that more whites are shot than blacks- which is technically correct by about 2:1. But it ignores the fact that blacks are 3x more likely to be shot and killed by cops than whites.
          6 to 1?!?!?!

          isn't the black population 13%? if whites are then 78% that only leaves 9% for asian/indian/hispanic/eskimo/injun/mena
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          • #35
            Originally posted by alfablue View Post

            Remember that whites outnumber blacks by about 6:1. So unless there are 6 whites being taken out of their car for every one, it's not balanced.
            It's closer to 4.5:1 with respect to blacks, about 1.6 for all minorities and I know what I was watching so I don't need lessons from you. I just freaking wrote it's highly likely the pairs of cops tv crews were assigned to were on their best behavior so it may not be a true representation of typcial interactions. But you're wrong about what happens typically on LivePD at least based upon the number of times I watched. If they do pull the show it won't bother me.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by alfablue View Post

              Remember that whites outnumber blacks by about 6:1. So unless there are 6 whites being taken out of their car for every one, it's not balanced.
              In my experience the cops on Live PD ask pretty much everyone, regardless of race, to step out of the car. Pretty rare that they don't, iirc, and I've always assumed that this is primarily for purposes of filming the subject. I expect they can't, or don't want to, film anyone actually inside the car, I don't know if for privacy reasons or what. I just don't remember them sticking the camera up to the window and filming inside unless it's the cop searching the car. But once they get the driver out on the street, film away.

              Also, the ratio of black to white might depend upon the jurisdiction where the Live PD cameras are. Richland County, South Carolina, is 47% white, 45% black. West Baton Rouge, LA, is almost 40% black. Salinas, CA, is 77% Latino, 14% white.

              You can't base it on the US ratio of black to white or Latino to white.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post

                I've watched LivePD a few dozen times and I was very, very surprised at their restraint vs. what you might expect to see given the true horror stories we've seen the past few weeks, and well a lot longer than that. I didn't pick up on them singling blacks out, and I was surprised how often they asked a white person to step out of their vehicle. I have to suspect that c.o.'s made it abundantly clear to any officers our there being followed by a crew that they didn't eff up while the cameras were rolling. Because the good behavior was far too prevalent compared to all the horror stories out there.
                I always figured these shows existed for middle and upper-middle class white America to laugh at working class America, whether it's Cleetus trying to flee a DUI arrest or DeShaun getting busted for crack.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post

                  I always figured these shows existed for middle and upper-middle class white America to laugh at working class America, whether it's Cleetus trying to flee a DUI arrest or DeShaun getting busted for crack.
                  I always thought they were propaganda to pound the message in that the cops are omnipresent. In the original movie Fahrenheit 451 there's a scene where they're watching a vid of firemen catch a group of teens and cutting their long hair with the voiceover "isn't law enforcement fun?" That's what Cops is.

                  I like the class theory but the problem is only lower class whites watched the show. They were getting off on the authoritarianism of it -- like their religion.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post

                    6 to 1?!?!?!

                    isn't the black population 13%? if whites are then 78% that only leaves 9% for asian/indian/hispanic/eskimo/injun/mena
                    Yup https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...e/US/PST045219

                    Although Hispanic is not a race according to the census- but it is separated later.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

                      In my experience the cops on Live PD ask pretty much everyone, regardless of race, to step out of the car. Pretty rare that they don't, iirc, and I've always assumed that this is primarily for purposes of filming the subject. I expect they can't, or don't want to, film anyone actually inside the car, I don't know if for privacy reasons or what. I just don't remember them sticking the camera up to the window and filming inside unless it's the cop searching the car. But once they get the driver out on the street, film away.

                      Also, the ratio of black to white might depend upon the jurisdiction where the Live PD cameras are. Richland County, South Carolina, is 47% white, 45% black. West Baton Rouge, LA, is almost 40% black. Salinas, CA, is 77% Latino, 14% white.

                      You can't base it on the US ratio of black to white or Latino to white.
                      It would be interesting if COPS focused on primarily minority communities, wouldn't it? As if they are having more crime....

                      That's pretty bad, IMHO.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post

                        It's closer to 4.5:1 with respect to blacks, about 1.6 for all minorities and I know what I was watching so I don't need lessons from you. I just freaking wrote it's highly likely the pairs of cops tv crews were assigned to were on their best behavior so it may not be a true representation of typcial interactions. But you're wrong about what happens typically on LivePD at least based upon the number of times I watched. If they do pull the show it won't bother me.
                        I'm just telling you what the census reports. Not trying to teach any lesson, just making observations. If you want to separate the ones that are not binning themselves into Hispanic, that's fine. But even at 4.5:1 the race of black shooting and incarceration is considerably higher. And white parents do not need to have the "cop talk" to their kids. So lets not pretend that they are anywhere the same.

                        I have not watched any live cop shows, I'm just betting that they are not balanced WRT race in the community, especially overall in the US. And if they are focusing on primarily minority areas, that's pretty bad.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Kepler View Post

                          I always thought they were propaganda to pound the message in that the cops are omnipresent. In the original movie Fahrenheit 451 there's a scene where they're watching a vid of firemen catch a group of teens and cutting their long hair with the voiceover "isn't law enforcement fun?" That's what Cops is.

                          I like the class theory but the problem is only lower class whites watched the show. They were getting off on the authoritarianism of it -- like their religion.
                          As usual you guys have way over-thought this. Live PD is nosy voyeurism, nothing more, nothing less. Live PD is popular for the same reason that people slow down on the interstate when there is an accident in the opposite lanes of traffic that doesn't interfere with your traffic at all, or isn't necessary for safety reasons. It's the same reason that people listen to scanners.

                          25 years ago I was the head of our local red cross chapter, and we selected fire detectors as our project one summer. We would go out to small towns in Minnesota, walk door to door, and offer to check their fire detector, and if they didn't have one, install one free of charge.

                          There is no question that 40% of the homes I went into had a police scanner operating. One Saturday the Sheriff's department was searching for a guy on an arrest warrant, and as I went from home to home it was like listening to a soap opera as the story progressed.

                          But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that my own fascination with the way these people lived, the insides of their homes, what they were eating, their hoarding activities, their addiction to the police scanner, was every bit as nosy and voyeuristic as those I visited.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post
                            Paramount has canceled Cops permanently after pulling it off the air.

                            Now there's a movement to try to cancel Live PD. This week it was learned that an unarmed black man died in custody during a taping of the show. It was ruled a homicide, but no action has been taken as of yet, except that the officers resigned upon the news getting out. Live PD said they destroyed the evidence.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by alfablue View Post

                              I have not watched any live cop shows, I'm just betting that they are not balanced WRT race in the community, especially overall in the US. And if they are focusing on primarily minority areas, that's pretty bad.
                              I think Live PD has done a pretty decent job of varying the areas they film.

                              For instance, they've followed departments in Montana, Indiana and Florida where the population is almost all white, and other departments like those I mentioned earlier, which have a much higher minority population.

                              I would say if anything they focus more on the poorer areas rather than selecting by race. I doubt you'll see the Grosse Pointe police department followed by Live PD anytime soon.
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by alfablue View Post

                                I don't get why that is on TV. And I bet if one studied the show, you would see the blatant racism in the police system.
                                Like you and Slap Shot, LivePD seemed to be fair across the board.

                                I do have the same thought that F2B&G had in that LivePD was more Classist and not Racist.

                                But honestly, if Cleetus is running stop signs with a digital scale coated in crack on his center console with empty beer cans rolling around, he kinda deserves to get pulled over and arrested. No matter his income.
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