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  • Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post

    This is true.

    I hope things go well in the Twin Cities this week. I had planned on being back there on Wednesday (I was there for 3 days last week) but have cancelled plans to travel to my shops in Minneapolis and St. Paul. My Minneapolis shop was right where the rioting was last year. Driving around there last month and the physical scars to the city are still very visible. I sure hope the jury does the right thing.

    Whether or not they are feeling it (and I'm sure they are feeling it) the fate of the city -- and maybe more -- is really resting in the hands of the Chauvin jury. If they fail to convict this country is going to see rioting the likes of which we have never seen before. Last year will seem like a fun-filled block party compared to the violence that will accompany a not guilty verdict or probably even a hung jury. At this point the fate of Derek Chauvin is not really what is important. If things go haywire you Twin Cities posters stay safe and be careful.

    I think what saves the country is Dump lost. Even if the jury hangs, I think (hope) there is a feeling on the street that help is coming and things are changing. Dump, and the GOP writ large, is a come to Jesus moment for white centrists. Before they were able to kid themselves that "things aren't perfect but we've come a long way" and other excuses not to do anything (especially, not to pay anything). But those myths have been exploded. White Center-Left and even some white Left have had the scales fall from their eyes, finally, and have realized this country is never more than one depression from Germany 1932, because there is an immense, unreconstructable racist base at the core of the Right, which will never become better and never grow up. We are just going to have to out-vote those orcs, every election, forever, to keep them as far from the levers of power as possible.

    America had a 50-year nap in many ways. In economics they bought Reaganomics' sweet lie that taxes could always remain low on everyone, especially the rich and upper middle class. Now we see that just hollows out the country from the inside until one pandemic puts us on par with a third world nation. In social issues they bought that as long as there were some rich black celebs that meant Racism Over, until the last decade has proven slavery never ended, the incarceration state and Jim Crow 2 are simply the morphing of white supremacy and apartheid to a different form.

    The country is waking up. I woke up that violence, which a good way to get attention, can't be The Plan. Revolution can't be aspirational because it leads to giving up on voting and institutional forms and that cedes the ground either to the enemy or to "moderate" friends are who are fat and happy and will never discomfort themselves as long as they don't see atrocities on teevee.

    We are fighting the actual malevolence of the Right and the self-congratulatory lethargy of the Center, but importantly we have the tools to win in our institutions, our people, and our morale. For fifty years the "nothing ever changes" or "this country is fucked forever" people dominated the conversation, and they were a clarion call to do nothing. And, unsurprising, through all that time the Right gained, because they had a clear and simple message: repeal the 20th Century. Go back to the old hierarchical order of rich white males as an aristocracy and as "real Americans." But I believe the Left and even the Center-Left under 40 has finally learned and is poised to make a leap.

    tl; dr: I believe we are coming into an age when people recognize that pundits have nothing to say to them, that the Democratic party is a mechanism for us and we must seize it, and that consumer power now so dominates our economy that we can shake the corporate state to its knees just by buying or not buying to our ethics. The ubiquitous ironic coolness, which started in the black jazz clubs of the 1930s and then was aped by the commercial state as a method of dulling our senses and destroying our outrage in order to pacify us, is finally being rejected for some honest old school caring. Cool is dead. I've never been so happy to be obsolete along with the rest of the cynicism and poser world weariness of the Boomers and Gen X.
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    • Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
      I'm very afraid* of what happens to the Cities if he's found not guilty or there's a mistrial. I'm guessing if it's a mistrial we're looking at 2 wks of deliberation. Fast verdict has to be guilty.

      *afraid isn't the right word. It's more... I don't know. Like I'm not sure where we go.
      It will be really bad, but at least they will be prepared for it.
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      • Maxine waters better not have given chauvin an out on appeal.
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        • I don't see how she could have.
          "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
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          • What happened?
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            • Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
              What happened?
              https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/20/polit...ice/index.html
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              • Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                I don't see how she could have.
                The judge seems to see how she could have.

                Just another reason to defenestrate everyone over 50 in Washington.
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                • Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                  I'm very afraid* of what happens to the Cities if he's found not guilty or there's a mistrial. I'm guessing if it's a mistrial we're looking at 2 wks of deliberation. Fast verdict has to be guilty.

                  *afraid isn't the right word. It's more... I don't know. Like I'm not sure where we go.
                  Remember that a hung jury or mistrial does not mean he gets off, it means they do it all over again.

                  And I also think that the deliberation will take time, even if they all think he's guilty- the three different charges have to be debated. The biggest one being the 2nd degree one- that one is the most questionable one, and it may take a very long time to come to a full agreement on it.

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                  • Originally posted by MichVandal View Post

                    Remember that a hung jury or mistrial does not mean he gets off, it means they do it all over again.
                    Isn't conviction rate on a retrial negligible?
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                    • Originally posted by MichVandal View Post

                      Remember that a hung jury or mistrial does not mean he gets off, it means they do it all over again.

                      And I also think that the deliberation will take time, even if they all think he's guilty- the three different charges have to be debated. The biggest one being the 2nd degree one- that one is the most questionable one, and it may take a very long time to come to a full agreement on it.
                      i get that. I'm talking on appeal. The judge seemed particularly upset at her and obviously didn't want to make the call himself. Or more likely didn't think it was his place. But boy was he upset.
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                      He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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                      • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

                        Isn't conviction rate on a retrial negligible?
                        Dunno, but I suspect that angle is what the defense is shooting for because it will be harder to find a jury in Minneapolis.

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                        • Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post

                          i get that. I'm talking on appeal. The judge seemed particularly upset at her and obviously didn't want to make the call himself. Or more likely didn't think it was his place. But boy was he upset.
                          Maxine is right that we need to keep the pressure on to change the procedures and policies, though. When a simple action to subdue someone in that manner is deemed to be OK, something is bad.

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                          • Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post

                            i get that. I'm talking on appeal. The judge seemed particularly upset at her and obviously didn't want to make the call himself. Or more likely didn't think it was his place. But boy was he upset.
                            It's easier for the trial judge to let it go and see what the verdict is. A not guilty verdict solves his problem.

                            Also, this is not something that is going to lead to a reversal at the appellate level if Chauvin is convicted, imho.

                            Now, all that said, anyone who thinks that Chauvin got a "fair trial" is sort of kidding themselves. Between the news media and the governor and other politicians calling for a conviction, to the armed invasion of Minneapolis, to the protests, to the trashing of a house of one of the defense experts that he moved from 15 years ago, I don't see a lot of normal everyday citizens on that jury willing to raise their hand and say "not guilty."

                            Personally, I think Chauvin is guilty, at least of something, so I suppose at the end of the day we'll reach the result we should. But we aren't more than a scaffold, some rope, pitchforks and torches removed from Arizona justice in the 1880's with this case.
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                            • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

                              It's easier for the trial judge to let it go and see what the verdict is. A not guilty verdict solves his problem.

                              Also, this is not something that is going to lead to a reversal at the appellate level if Chauvin is convicted, imho.

                              Now, all that said, anyone who thinks that Chauvin got a "fair trial" is sort of kidding themselves. Between the news media and the governor and other politicians calling for a conviction, to the armed invasion of Minneapolis, to the protests, to the trashing of a house of one of the defense experts that he moved from 15 years ago, I don't see a lot of normal everyday citizens on that jury willing to raise their hand and say "not guilty."

                              Personally, I think Chauvin is guilty, at least of something, so I suppose at the end of the day we'll reach the result we should. But we aren't more than a scaffold, some rope, pitchforks and torches removed from Arizona justice in the 1880's with this case.
                              Oh, please. What a crock. He got a fair trial by any standard you can apply.
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                              • Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post

                                Oh, please. What a crock. He got a fair trial by any standard you can apply.
                                The process itself, inside the courtroom, was completely fair.
                                That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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