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  • #166
    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    Answers as far as I can tell below.
    This (warning: huge spoilers) agrees with you completely.

    My comments:

    I agree that that makes the series a big comedown. The whole point of the character is he is an idealistic hero, albeit one with some world-weariness. He cheats? That's awful.

    I don't agree that the Scoobies scene at the end will make a better show. We've had plenty of those shows with a charismatic lead and his perky, smart alecky sidekicks and to this day nobody's come close to recapturing Buffy. Try something new, TV. Do it for me.

    Anyway: bah. I want my Mason pure and unhappy. At least they didn't leave him in the embrace of Aimee Semple McSexkitten.
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    • #167
      Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
      My thoughts on question 2 for PM
      My response to that:

      That can't work. Strickland only finds out about the other 2 jurors after he has gone over to Burger. In fact, thinking about it, Strickland may go over to Burger because Perry pays him to ensure the fix. "So, that's what you think of me, huh? You get to be the ivory tower hero and I'm the skunk in the shadows?"

      Also: I think the point is Perry was good enough to get the mistrial fairly. He just didn't trust himself, or the system, to risk it.

      That sets up an interesting dynamic going forward: Mason's struggle to believe in himself, and also to believe in the justice system. He has plenty of reasons to doubt each.

      I hope they pursue those tensions if there are future seasons. Despite the finale letdown I really hope the show comes back. Rhys is brilliant and if the show follows the course of the Ironsides precursor then Burger will become his archrival and those courtroom contests could be epic: Perry + Della + Drake vs Burger + Strickland.
      Last edited by Kepler; 08-11-2020, 11:41 AM.
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      • #168
        Well I think it can work - the fact Strickland only finds out after the fact doesn't detract from my thought. He was 100% surprised to learn the vote went 9-3 knowing he had only bribed 1 juror. Where did the other 2 dissenting votes come from? Likely from Perry and it turned Strickland off enough to jump ship. It's possible someone else was responsible for the additional bribe currently unknown to the viewers, and Strickland assumed it was Perry still causing him to part ways.

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        • #169
          Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
          Well I think it can work
          Only if they are deliberately playing with time at the end, which they haven't done at any point before. Chronologically:

          1. Perry and Strickland meet on the bridge. Perry says "this is something only you can do." We realize later it's the bribe.

          2. The mistrial is declared.

          3. Perry and Strickland talk outside the house. Strickland tells Perry he is going to work for Burger.

          4. Strickland pays off the juror and finds out there were 2 other votes.

          It is possible the show is showing us 3 and 4 out of order, but they haven't done that trick before.
          Last edited by Kepler; 08-11-2020, 11:57 AM.
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          • #170
            Ahhh - you're absolutely sure 3 happened before 4 at least as far as how it was shown? If that is correct then yes my theory doesn't hold water and I've clearly misremembered the order of things.

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            • #171
              Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
              Ahhh
              I'm old. I'm not sure of anything anymore.
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              • #172
                Somebody is doing a nice line in shirts, shorts, mugs, masks, and jewelry.






                I really hope it's her.



                Last edited by Kepler; 08-14-2020, 07:04 PM.
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                • #173
                  Lovecraft Country.

                  Hella fun. Going to be a fun ride.

                  Finished Season 4 of Homeland. Worst season ending yet. That's probably a good thing at this point. Needs to be as absurd as possible. It's like watching a train wreck. You can't take your eyes off of it.
                  Last edited by ScoobyDoo; 08-17-2020, 11:44 AM.
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                  Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                  • #174
                    3 episodes into Brave New World on PeacockTV. Guardedly optimistic. Spoilers (through 3 episodes):

                    They've re-imagined the characters and made all the females active and the males passive, as opposed to the book (which after all was written in 1932). Demi Moore, who I generally loathe, is GREAT was Linda, who is on the whole a much better character.

                    Making Mustafa Mond a black chick is pretty lazy in 2020, but the actress is good at least. Bernard being scaled back to what Lenina essentially was in the book is disappointing. I mean, dude an Alpha Plus, maybe be a little quicker on the uptake, eh? OTOH, Lenina is a huge upgrade albeit obviously a Mary Sue.

                    The Savages as Dumpies rather than Pueblo Natives is a hamfisted attempt at being Currently Relevant, but it did lead to some pretty good moments on the Reservation.
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                    • #175
                      Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                      Lovecraft Country.

                      Hella fun. Going to be a fun ride.

                      Finished Season 4 of Homeland. Worst season ending yet. That's probably a good thing at this point. Needs to be as absurd as possible. It's like watching a train wreck. You can't take your eyes off of it.
                      It was a frustrating ending for sure but overall o loved that season

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                      • #176
                        Perry Mason is EXCELLENT four episodes in.

                        Thanks for whiting out the spoilers.
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                        • #177
                          I watched Fear City, the three episode documentary on Netflix on the efforts of the FBI and DOJ to take down the heads of the mob in NYC in the late 70's and early 80's. Kind of a fun watch.
                          That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                          • #178
                            High Score, Netflix. History of video games. Concentrates on the marketing but still a lot of fun, especially if you have the Olds and remember it all.
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                            • #179
                              Homeland Season 5. My favorite season so far. Lot more spy vs. spy stuff in this season. Quinn story I didn't enjoy but It has impact. There was a lot of satisfaction to the season finale with the resolution of the main antagonist.
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                              • #180
                                Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post

                                It was a frustrating ending for sure but overall o loved that season
                                Season 4 was good I thought. Just started five.
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                                Originally posted by SanTropez
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                                Originally posted by bigblue_dl
                                I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
                                Originally posted by Kepler
                                When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
                                He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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