MLB 2020: We'll Play Ball, I Guess.

[French Rage]

Ladies and Gentlemen, the New York Me...

Correction: the Pittsburgh Pirates!

Mind you, this all went down with *TWO OUTS* in the inning. All they had to do was step on first base.

Urinating Tree recap is great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7cE_J1yclI

There's so many beautiful details to that play.

[French Rage]

I mean, Baez is there signalling safe while he's still a live runner. And if they get him at any point, the inning is over and the run doesn't count and it's all moot. And they still don't get him.

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

I mean, Baez is there signalling safe while he's still a live runner. And if they get him at any point, the inning is over and the run doesn't count and it's all moot. And they still don't get him.

And Baez scores on the next hit...

[Kepler]

Ladies and Gentlemen, the New York Me...

Correction: the Pittsburgh Pirates!

Mind you, this all went down with *TWO OUTS* in the inning. All they had to do was step on first base.

NGL, first thing I thought when I saw the replay during our game was, "thank all the gods that ever lived it wasn't us."

My favorite thing about the play is it's all moot even after the runner has scored if they just get Baez, and they still don't.

I think this might actually be the stupidest play in baseball history. Mets announcer Gary Cohen was laughing so hard when he saw it I was honestly worried for him.

[Kepler]

The Mets active slugging% leaders

1. Jacob deGrom - .529
2. Johneshwy Fargas - .524
3. Tomas Nido - .520
4. Patrick Mazeika - .500
5. Brandon Drury - .500

1. Pitcher (**** the DH)
2. AAA player called up for injury -- now is himself injured
3. Back-up catcher
4. DFA'ed AA player who had not played baseball since 2019, signed for injury
5. AAA player called up for injury

We're in first. This is so dumb.

Oh, and we signed a different DFAed player last night. He's batting cleanup today.

Batting averages for today's game:

1. .223
2. .185 <-- Opening Day Starter
3. .196 <-- Opening Day Starter, used to bat 8th
4. .207
5. .260
6. .250
7. .200
8. .000 <-- OPS is .125; not the Pitcher
9. .063

I would just like to point out, as the coup de grace for this lineup, it won this game. With 3 hits.

[aparch]

And Baez scores on the next hit...

I didn't see that until watching the highlights on MLB Network when I got home from work tonight. It was like it was the icing on the cake of that blunder.

[dxmnkd316]

I mean, Baez is there signalling safe while he's still a live runner. And if they get him at any point, the inning is over and the run doesn't count and it's all moot. And they still don't get him.

I had no idea that was the case


https://sports.stackexchange.com/que...-reaches-first

[Kepler]

I had no idea that was the case


https://sports.stackexchange.com/que...-reaches-first

I didn't know about the "fourth out" application in this instance. In the Baez case, for example, I thought (erroneously) that if, subsequent to the runner scoring, Baez was tagged rather than forced then the run would count.

I can imagine if this gets mixed up with double plays and men on other bases then this rule can get really, really messy.

[RaceBoarder]

I didn't know about the "fourth out" application in this instance. In the Baez case, for example, I thought (erroneously) that if, subsequent to the runner scoring, Baez was tagged rather than forced then the run would count.

I can imagine if this gets mixed up with double plays and men on other bases then this rule can get really, really messy.

It's actually quite simple. All you need to ask is if the Batter-Runner reached 1st base. Once he reaches 1st base the run is counted. If he doesn't reach first base, the run is negated.

[dxmnkd316]

I'm reasonably confident the 4th out happened few years back. Could be around the time that substack question was asked.

[Kepler]

It's actually quite simple. All you need to ask is if the Batter-Runner reached 1st base. Once he reaches 1st base the run is counted. If he doesn't reach first base, the run is negated.

It's not actually that simple, because you have to ask the same question about every forced runner, and that means you can have situations where the order of outs you get removes the force and screws it up.

I think it's still well-ordered and deterministic (unlike the ECAC tie breaker) but it's both simpler and less simple than I thought it was.

[dxmnkd316]

It's not actually that simple, because you have to ask the same question about every forced runner, and that means you can have situations where the order of outs you get removes the force and screws it up.

I think it's still well-ordered and deterministic (unlike the ECAC tie breaker) but it's both simpler and less simple than I thought it was.

I've always thought "Is it a touched-base force? Time is irrelevant. Is it anything else? Time is relevant."

[Kepler]

I've always thought "Is it a touched-base force? Time is irrelevant. Is it anything else? Time is relevant."

I think it is. Then why did you say you didn't know the rule, it sounds like you always knew it?

How the hell could I play and watch baseball and score games for fifty years and not just have never seen this but never even known this?

[MichVandal]

It's actually quite simple. All you need to ask is if the Batter-Runner reached 1st base. Once he reaches 1st base the run is counted. If he doesn't reach first base, the run is negated.

One funny thing about this- it wasn't just the first baseman who had brain fade- the 2nd basement didn't realize the same thing until Baez headed back to first. And the play should have been just like a routine strike out/ dropped ball- just a slow toss to first, and nothing counted.

[mookie1995]

I've always thought "Is it a touched-base force? Time is irrelevant. Is it anything else? Time is relevant."

bases loaded
full count
two outs
.....runners go to take away a force out, and batter hits a grounder to short. SS fields and throws to first for the out. Dude on third no doubt crossed home before hand but doesn’t matter, no run