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  • Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
    Heres the deal on this:

    This was a fundamental, but catastrophic screw-up by Ron Kulpa. It was simply an information overload that took him an extra second to process. In the rush to process the result he simply ignored the fundamental aspect of the rule.

    This is the umpire equivalent of a fielder having a simple pop-up hit them in the glove and then end up on the ground.

    Yes it's a play that gets executed correctly 999/1000 times. The stars aligned on rep #1000 here.
    But when does it move from judgement to misapplication?

    Kulpa admitted he should have called a strikeout. Frankly, he did call a strikeout. But the general consensus I’m reading seems to be that the play is being classified as a judgement error. This despite his actions during the play and later his quote, though I’m not sure if his quote took place before or after he saw a replay.
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    • Kulpa. I knew that name sounded familiar.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Kulpa#Controversies
      A bad cause requires many words.

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      • Originally posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post

        But when does it move from judgement to misapplication?

        Kulpa admitted he should have called a strikeout. Frankly, he did call a strikeout. But the general consensus I’m reading seems to be that the play is being classified as a judgement error. This despite his actions during the play and later his quote, though I’m not sure if his quote took place before or after he saw a replay.
        This is a mis-application of a judgement call. We have indicators that show he 100% believed to pitch to be "in the zone". He should have called the batter out. He should have known this. There should be stiff penalties for this gaff.

        I get the "crossed wires" aspect of this play. But the play should have been called correctly after stepping back and thinking about it.

        Proper procedure on the play should be to call Time for the HBP. Then sell the result based on pitch location. So missed that up fundamentally.

        Honestly, because he fully indicated "Strike", I think there may be a case for protesting the ruling of how to handle a HBP.
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        • Originally posted by French Rage View Post
          I'm not even 100% convinced it hit him.

          But next time he should really go for it. No slight grazing of the elbow. Get a running start and dive across homeplate in front of the pitch like a bodyguard. Really tempt MLB to overturn it.
          Did you see the overhead shot? He is obviously moving his arm to be hit. The Mets TV crew (excellent as always) was all over it saying it was clearly a strike and he clearly moved to be hit and so should be out.
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          • Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post

            This is a mis-application of a judgement call. We have indicators that show he 100% believed to pitch to be "in the zone". He should have called the batter out. He should have known this.
            He was beginning his strike three call! :-)

            Then he stopped because of the HBP. That is a clear misapplication of the rule -- and now for a variety of reasons it won't be overturned. But this is an obvious instance in which the umpire forgot a rule every high schooler knows, and that aint a good look for MLB.
            Last edited by Kepler; 04-09-2021, 06:50 AM.
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            • We all agree the Mets kid there deserves the first ball today in the arse
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              • Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                We all agree the Mets kid there deserves the first ball today in the arse
                Tomorrow. We have today off.

                I might just sit Conforto for the rest of the series. He's been ice cold.
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                • Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
                  Yes it's a play that gets executed correctly 999/1000 times. The stars aligned on rep #1000 here.
                  I'd disagree only to the extent I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen someone get hit and not be awarded the base, even though there are dozens of players who never make an attempt to get out of the way and make a living hanging the elbow over the plate. It's even rarer to see the pitch called a strike.

                  The only reason this incident is noticeable is because he started to punch him out, making it clear to everyone the pitch was a strike.

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                  • Best post I've read on this, from Amazin Ave, the Mets' SB site:

                    Honestly, I think that Conforto's whitemeat babyface run was stale and I like the heel turn

                    Excited to see where they are going with this!
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                    • Joe Musgrove throws the first no-hitter in San Diego Padres history against the Rangers.

                      And with that, every franchise now has a no-hitter.
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                      • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                        Best post I've read on this, from Amazin Ave, the Mets' SB site:
                        Like I said, have his new thing be leaned into pitches, and have it get my ridiculous as time goes on. Does MLB want young viewers or not?

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                        KDR

                        Rover Frenchy, Classic! Great post.
                        iwh30 I wish I could be as smart as you. I really do you are the man
                        gregg729 I just saw your sig, you do love having people revel in your "intelligence."
                        Ritt18 you are the perfect representation of your alma mater.
                        Miss Thundercat That's it, you win.
                        TBA#2 I want to kill you and dance in your blood.
                        DisplacedCornellian Hahaha. Thread over. Frenchy wins.

                        Test to see if I can add this.

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                        • Now that every team has a no-hitter, I decided to look at perfect games.

                          There have only been 23 in history, so obviously not every team has one. There are sixteen franchises without a perfect game, including two AL charter teams (Orioles and Tigers) and four NL teams that predate the AL (Braves, Cardinals, Cubs, Pirates).

                          The White Sox and Yankees have the most thrown with three. The Rays, only established in 1998, have somehow already had three thrown against them. They're tied with the Dodgers, around since 1883, for the most thrown against.

                          Seven franchises have never been involved in a perfect game. That group includes the Cardinals, Orioles, and Pirates, despite a combined 401 seasons.
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                          • deGrom went 8 today, 14 Ks, 1 R. Lost as Mets were shut out.

                            Fun stat during the game: Jake has 33 no decisions since 2018. In them his ERA is 1.77.
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                            • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                              deGrom went 8 today, 14 Ks, 1 R. Lost as Mets were shut out.

                              Fun stat during the game: Jake has 33 no decisions since 2018. In them his ERA is 1.77.
                              Sadness factory.

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                              KDR

                              Rover Frenchy, Classic! Great post.
                              iwh30 I wish I could be as smart as you. I really do you are the man
                              gregg729 I just saw your sig, you do love having people revel in your "intelligence."
                              Ritt18 you are the perfect representation of your alma mater.
                              Miss Thundercat That's it, you win.
                              TBA#2 I want to kill you and dance in your blood.
                              DisplacedCornellian Hahaha. Thread over. Frenchy wins.

                              Test to see if I can add this.

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                              • Originally posted by French Rage View Post

                                Sadness factory.
                                From Mets reddit (this has been posted at least once a month since 2018):

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