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  • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

    Yeah, I got that. But it didn't really answer my question. So, because you choose to be obtuse about it, I'll ask directly.

    Why do you choose to cast stones at the Cleveland Indians for waiting a year before voluntarily changing their name, one that Native Americans find offensive, when you've elected to continue to use a similar name as your screen name for now five or six years after your school changed because, Native Americans found the name offensive?
    Since you apparently don't understand the difference...

    The Indians nickname is derogatory, offensive, and, as Cleveland even admitted, unacceptable.

    The Sioux nickname is the name of a group of people. It is similar to the Vikings or the Fighting Irish. Also, while I certainly understand the historical origins of the term Sioux, in today's society, I'm not aware of any significant faction who find the name Sioux, as it pertains to the group of people, to be offensive.

    And I really don't think you get my issue with Cleveland. It is because they finally acknowledge that the use of a racist/derogatory/offensive nickname is unacceptable, but will continue to utilize it for (at least) another year. That is idiotic.
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    • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

      To be fair.

      The Sioux logo stays because it is forking amazing.
      That logo was also designed by a Native American...albeit a member of the tribe (Ojibwe) who coined the term from which "Sioux" was developed.
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      • Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post

        I'm not aware of any significant faction who find the name Sioux, as it pertains to the group of people, to be offensive.
        Waitwaitwaitwaitwait. I’m sorry, did I hallucinate the entire multiyear saga between the school and the tribes?
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        • Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post

          Since you apparently don't understand the difference...

          The Indians nickname is derogatory, offensive, and, as Cleveland even admitted, unacceptable.

          The Sioux nickname is the name of a group of people. It is similar to the Vikings or the Fighting Irish. Also, while I certainly understand the historical origins of the term Sioux, in today's society, I'm not aware of any significant faction who find the name Sioux, as it pertains to the group of people, to be offensive.

          And I really don't think you get my issue with Cleveland. It is because they finally acknowledge that the use of a racist/derogatory/offensive nickname is unacceptable, but will continue to utilize it for (at least) another year. That is idiotic.
          You’re simply wrong. It was well documented during the UND nickname dispute that “Sioux” was a derogatory term applied by their enemies. As I recall it means “snake” or something similar.
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          • Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post

            Waitwaitwaitwaitwait. I’m sorry, did I hallucinate the entire multiyear saga between the school and the tribes?
            Sort of. But it was not due to the term "Sioux" being derogatory or offensive. It had to do with the school using Native American imagery/logos coupled with using the nickname for its sports team. Also, the saga was not really between the school and the tribes, but that is best served for another topic/thread.
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            • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

              You’re simply wrong. It was well documented during the UND nickname dispute that “Sioux” was a derogatory term applied by their enemies. As I recall it means “snake” or something similar.
              As I stated in my post, I am aware of the historical origins of the term (I also stated the name of the tribe that developed the term in my prior posts). That being said, in today's society, I'm not aware of any significant faction who find the name Sioux, as it pertains to the group of people, to be offensive. It is similar to Scandinavian. As an example, Scandinavian is to Norwegian as Sioux is to Lakota.

              Also, I'm done playing my role in hijacking this thread. My relevant comment still remains that the Cleveland baseball team is idiotic for continuing to use a nickname they find unacceptable. If you disagree with that, let's discuss it here. If you want to continue learning about the nuances between the Indians nickname and the Sioux nickname, start up another thread and we can continue it in there.
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              • Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post

                Sort of. But it was not due to the term "Sioux" being derogatory or offensive. It had to do with the school using Native American imagery/logos coupled with using the nickname for its sports team. Also, the saga was not really between the school and the tribes, but that is best served for another topic/thread.
                holy sh-t that’s some serious denial.
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                Originally posted by bigblue_dl
                I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
                Originally posted by Kepler
                When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
                He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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                • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

                  To be fair.

                  The Sioux logo stays because it is forking amazing.
                  Side note: nice to see the new cocaine 'cat used for the '91 title.
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                  • Originally posted by aparch View Post

                    Side note: nice to see the new cocaine 'cat used for the '91 title.
                    I used my favorite logo for each school or, as with Michigan, the least offensive. In some cases (BG) I used logos which were easier to guess.
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                    • I’m surprised the current skating goldy is preferred to the old one. To each their own.
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                      • Negro Leagues now officially classified as major leagues.

                        https://twitter.com/lindseyadler/sta...773858304?s=21
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                        • Given that they probably had better players than most of MLB, it only makes sense. Then again, they might be insulted to be affiliated with such lousy talent.
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                          • Originally posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post
                            Negro Leagues now officially classified as major leagues.

                            https://twitter.com/lindseyadler/sta...773858304?s=21
                            What does this actually officially mean? Are NeL records and stats now fully integrated (no pun intended) into overall MLB records?

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                            • Originally posted by French Rage View Post

                              What does this actually officially mean? Are NeL records and stats now fully integrated (no pun intended) into overall MLB records?
                              Pretty much. Players who played in both will have their stats changed.

                              Here’s an article on it. Willie Mays will have additional hits added to his career total. This is the first major league that would likely make a big impact on records since most of the other major leagues only lasted for a year or two.

                              https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2020/1...ues-officially
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                              • MLB plans to go full steam ahead in 2021, without mandating the vaccine for anyone.
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