Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

[Drew S.]

Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

From an actual Democrat, what’s wrong with Harris? Just during the coronavirus pandemic, she’s sponsored like three or four huge ideas/bills aimed at helping people of color, partnering with white guys Sanders/Markey on one bill, and Squad member Pressley* on another. To me, she’s literally the perfect fit for Biden. She’s Abrams 5-10 years from now.

To me Harris represents the bluster over substance brand of politics that Trump engages in. The sooner that is gone from the executive branch the better. I would be very happy with Abrams as she is the real deal. Warren or Mayor Pete would have been my top two choices but it looks like Biden is going to go a different direction.

[French Rage]

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Ha ha, you all thought you would get a substantive answer.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Ha ha, you all thought you would get a substantive answer.

Yeah, shame on us

[jericho]

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If the aim is taking the Senate, if he picks a Senator, shouldnt the Senator be from a state with a D governor? That would mean Warren’s out. That leaves Harris, Klobuchar, Gillibrand, and a few others. Abrams wouldn’t disrupt anything.

[Rover]

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If the aim is taking the Senate, if he picks a Senator, shouldnt the Senator be from a state with a D governor? That would mean Warren’s out. That leaves Harris, Klobuchar, Gillibrand, and a few others. Abrams wouldn’t disrupt anything.

Warren's replacement would only temporary, maybe for a couple of months until a new election? Baker's a pretty liberal Republican but not sure who exactly he'd chose for the interim job now that Romney scrammed back to Utah! Maybe he'd give Bill Weld the seat for a few weeks. Or he could choose his Lt Gov.

[Kepler]

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I still prefer Harris over Abrams for the latter. More qualified, and checks every box Abrams checks.

Harris is great for the demographics. She lacks Abrams' farther left orientation and her ability to inspire. Harris was on the campaign trail and drew crickets.

If Joe wants to do this purely on racial id he picks Harris because she'll play ball when he appoints another Republican to run the Fed. If he wants to forge a tie back to the liberal wing he picks Abrams.

[Kepler]

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I really hope he does not pick Harris for VP as she reminds me a lot of Trump

I am disappointed with Harris for being a purely political creature but I can't imagine on what indices you see a comparison with Dump. She's smart, he dumb. She's circumspect, he's incendiary. Most importantly she's good, he's toxic. In what ways do you think she resembles him?

[Kepler]

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A loudmouth who attacks people and isn't exactly an intellectual heavyweight.

You could not be more wrong. That you find her a loudmouth shows you know nothing of her history. That you find her intellectually lacking, well, I don't want to speculate what's going on there, but let's leave it at she impresses me and I do not suffer the dumbs, or even the normies, gladly.

[Kepler]

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From an actual Democrat, what’s wrong with Harris? Just during the coronavirus pandemic, she’s sponsored like three or four huge ideas/bills aimed at helping people of color, partnering with white guys Sanders/Markey on one bill, and Squad member Pressley* on another. To me, she’s literally the perfect fit for Biden. She’s Abrams 5-10 years from now.

No, she's Obama 10 years ago, and that's fine, but it aint Abrams. Abrams is a genuine liberal, not a pragmatic balancer. Now, you may not want a genuine liberal, but that is a matter of preference, not identity.

On the Dem number line where Manchin is a 1, Biden is a 5, and Sanders is a 10, Harris is a 6 and Abrams is an 8. There's a substantive difference.

[Drew S.]

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You could not be more wrong. That you find her a loudmouth shows you know nothing of her history. That you find her intellectually lacking, well, I don't want to speculate what's going on there, but let's leave it at she impresses me and I do not suffer the dumbs, or even the normies, gladly.

I think my post was more condescending than I intended. She's obviously not an idiot, or someone of even mere average intelligence, but I don't think she is in the same ballpark as people like Obama, Abrams, or Warren. They all went to Harvard or Yale without family connections. Those are the type of folks we need as president and vice president.

Maybe I am off the reservation on this, but it always seems like she is chasing some sort of sound byte. And instead of owning who she is politically is she always tries to suit whatever audience she is addressing that moment in time. People love the idea of her, no doubt about that, but there is a reason she did so bad in the primary.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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On the Dem number line where Manchin is a 1, Biden is a 5, and Sanders is a 10, Harris is a 6 and Abrams is an 8. There's a substantive difference.

Except that Manchin is basically 0, Biden is 2 or 3, and Harris is 5.

[psych]

No, she's Obama 10 years ago, and that's fine, but it aint Abrams. Abrams is a genuine liberal, not a pragmatic balancer. Now, you may not want a genuine liberal, but that is a matter of preference, not identity.

On the Dem number line where Manchin is a 1, Biden is a 5, and Sanders is a 10, Harris is a 6 and Abrams is an 8. There's a substantive difference.

Being pragmatic means you’re not a genuine liberal? I’ll gladly agree to disagree on that one. As for being moderate, or somewhat liberal on your scale, govtrack.us rated Harris as the most liberal senator in 2019, and fourth most in 2018. FiveThirtyEight has her voting against Trump’s policies the 7th most out of any senator. If Abrams has her beat in liberal cred by the margin you’re saying, then Abrams must be way further left than I imagined. I love someone who can be liberal as f-ck and pragmatic at the same time. Abrams may be that person, but Harris has it in spades.

[Handyman]

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I admit I was afraid to look too closely at the (Tara Reade’s) story, so it was a relief to see it destroyed by an actual reporter. https://medium.com/@macarthur.cliff/...ou-27d3ca14978

Yikes. That is a gut punch to the story

[Rover]

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Yikes. That is a gut punch to the story

Detailed yet efficient takedown. Kudos to the reporter.

[Handyman]

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Detailed yet efficient takedown. Kudos to the reporter.

With quotes and evidence...unlike the rest of the media. Even mentions what I said that Far Left media types were part of the spread after Joe trounced Bernie on Super Tuesday. The Russia part was a nice twist as was the fraud with the charity