Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

[First Time, Long Time]

I mean...shouldnt the seat HAVE to go to a liberal? I mean they HAD to replace Scalia with a conservative they said...

uno I will take it one step further...if they actually hold hearings and ram it through it will cost them the Senate. In fact it would be stupid...what better way to motivate people to vote than to put it all on the line again like they did in 2016. If they go stupid on this I would bet money they get crushed in November and 2021 will make FDR's government look downright Centrist.

Would they care? It's not like the appointment could be rescinded. They'd have a court majority for decades. That may be worth losing the Senate for a bit

[RaceBoarder]

I mean...shouldnt the seat HAVE to go to a liberal? I mean they HAD to replace Scalia with a conservative they said...

uno I will take it one step further...if they actually hold hearings and ram it through it will cost them the Senate. In fact it would be stupid...what better way to motivate people to vote than to put it all on the line again like they did in 2016. If they go stupid on this I would bet money they get crushed in November and 2021 will make FDR's government look downright Centrist.

The R's know what they have... They know they got their 40%. They are calling our bluff and are all in... Unfortunately we still need to pull an out on the river...

Can we get each of the 60% of the population to the polls? Cause that's what we need to do and I don't think it's a sure thing that it gets done...

[Jimjamesak]

Would they care? It's not like the appointment could be rescinded. They'd have a court majority for decades. That may be worth losing the Senate for a bit

The Court doesn’t have to be nine seats.

[Handyman]

Yes because Biden would pack the Court...and any chance of having a moderate government goes out the window. The amount of Progressive legislation that will get rammed through in the next 4 years would be ridiculous and even a Court that isnt packed wont be able to overturn all of it.

Put it this way...if they ram someone through and lose the Presidency and the Senate they are looking at DC Statehood, Puerto Rican Statehood and higher taxes on their overlords. They will guarantee they lose the Senate for at least the next decade meaning they have zero power. They might get Roe repealed...but that will be undone as well.

[First Time, Long Time]

The Court doesn’t have to be nine seats.

True. But changing it would likely require a super Majority wouldn't it?

[Jimjamesak]

True. But changing it would likely require a super Majority wouldn't it?

Nope, Act of Congress only. Would just require killing the filibuster.

[Handyman]

The R's know what they have... They know they got their 40%. They are calling our bluff and are all in... Unfortunately we still need to pull an out on the river...

Can we get each of the 60% of the population to the polls? Cause that's what we need to do and I don't think it's a sure thing that it gets done...

That is why every TV appearance and ad from the Dems needs to hammer the point home.

I dont think we are bluffing...early voting and the absentee numbers are proving that. They are the ones bluffing because they dont have the numbers and know they need us to drop to have any shot to win.

[First Time, Long Time]

Yes because Biden would pack the Court...and any chance of having a moderate government goes out the window. The amount of Progressive legislation that will get rammed through in the next 4 years would be ridiculous and even a Court that isnt packed wont be able to overturn all of it.

Put it this way...if they ram someone through and lose the Presidency and the Senate they are looking at DC Statehood, Puerto Rican Statehood and higher taxes on their overlords. They will guarantee they lose the Senate for at least the next decade meaning they have zero power. They might get Roe repealed...but that will be undone as well.

You have more faith than I do.
I'm certain he'll try it.

[Handyman]

Nope, Act of Congress only. Would just require killing the filibuster.

Which they will probably as soon as humanly possible. Even Schumer wouldnt dither on it. (though I pray he wont be leader)

[Jimjamesak]

You have more faith than I do.
I'm certain he'll try it.

They’ll try it but either a) their paymasters realize the consequences and they back down or b) they go through with it and face an angry, motivated Democratic base ready for blood.

[Handyman]

You have more faith than I do.
I'm certain he'll try it.

No I am counting on him doing it. My scenario happens BECAUSE he will. Their arrogance level wont let them not do it. Their best strategy would be to wait. Outraging the Dem voters is going to destroy the idea of the Dems staying home. Even Politico wouldnt be able to do the DEMS IN DISARRAY!!1! stuff and that is literally all they have.

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

I think they hold off, and then ram someone through if Trump loses.

[Handyman]

They’ll try it but either a) their paymasters realize the consequences and they back down or b) they go through with it and face an angry, motivated Democratic base ready for blood.

Exactly.

[First Time, Long Time]

No I am counting on him doing it. My scenario happens BECAUSE he will. Their arrogance level wont let them not do it. Their best strategy would be to wait. Outraging the Dem voters is going to destroy the idea of the Dems staying home. Even Politico wouldnt be able to do the DEMS IN DISARRAY!!1! stuff and that is literally all they have.

Ah. I still think it'd be bad for the left for a while... we'll see if the left would play hardball and do what you say.

[Handyman]

I think they hold off, and then ram someone through if Trump loses.

That is a "better" strategy though it will have a similar outcome. The clap back will be very difficult on the GOPers that are still in the Senate past January.