Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

[Jimjamesak]

I believe this. Keep it going you dumb **** republicans

Probably the singje most decisive factor in 2020 election will be non-white turnout. It declined for first time in 20 years in 2016. By attacking President Obama, Trump is doing everything he can to put Obama back on the ballot in 2020. Nothing he could do would help Dems more.

— stuart stevens (@stuartpstevens) May 13, 2020

Was thinking the exact same thing. Nothing would drive up vote totals, in spite of coordinated efforts to suppress votes, like going after Obama.

[Spartanforlife4]

Was thinking the exact same thing. Nothing would drive up vote totals, in spite of coordinated efforts to suppress votes, like going after Obama.

Wasn’t that basically what 2016 was, though? Hillary ran on being a third term of Obama.

[RaceBoarder]

Re: Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

Wasn’t that basically what 2016 was, though? Hillary ran on being a third term of Obama.

Not exactly... Obama ran under the "Change" banner. Hillary was seen as a step back in the old by a fair amount of people (looking at Bernie Bros). Most Hillary voters voted for Obama. Obama voters didn't necessarily vote for Clinton.

[Rover]

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I also think enough voters get exhausted after 8 years that they either stay home or vote for the party that's been out of power for whatever reason. Since FDR/Truman's 5 terms we've only seen one instance where one party kept the WH for 12 years, even though some of the Presidents who were leaving office after 8 years were still pretty popular (Eisenhower, Clinton).

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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"It is happening, again"

[Handyman]

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Are you suggesting that the very news outlets that require Trump be in the news so they can not go broke are passively normalizing his BS claims in the hopes he wins again and they get a windfall...

[dxmnkd316]

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Larry O’Donnell is playing matchmaker with Biden and Abrams’.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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I see a lot of Democrats thinking 2020 is going to be an easy win just as they believed 2016 would be. They're wrong. Again. 2020 is going to be World War 1 trench warfare. Bayonets. Close quarter combat. And anyone who tells you differently does not know WHAT they are fighting

— Don Winslow (@donwinslow) May 15, 2020

[Rover]

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I see a lot of Democrats thinking 2020 is going to be an easy win just as they believed 2016 would be. They're wrong. Again. 2020 is going to be World War 1 trench warfare. Bayonets. Close quarter combat. And anyone who tells you differently does not know WHAT they are fighting

— Don Winslow (@donwinslow) May 15, 2020

Can this dude please point out who these "lot of Democrats" are? I have yet to see one person say 2020 will be an easy win especially given the cult like following Trump has.

[WeAreNDHockey]

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Can this dude please point out who these "lot of Democrats" are? I have yet to see one person say 2020 will be an easy win especially given the cult like following Trump has.

He's half right, this will be a tough fight, lots of dirty tricks are coming the democrats way. But I see more democrats believing trump wins a second term than seeing this as any kind of an easy fight.

The key, as it always has been, will be to make sure apathy does not set in and we turn people out. If we get progressives and the center off their rear ends, we win.

I'm also starting to see the notion that trump refusing to let go of his Obama obsession might help play in the democrats favor, as people who sat on the sidelines in 2016 (and in the process left Obama's legacy out to dry) will not repeat that mistake. We shall see.

[Rover]

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He's half right, this will be a tough fight, lots of dirty tricks are coming the democrats way. But I see more democrats believing trump wins a second term than seeing this as any kind of an easy fight.

The key, as it always has been, will be to make sure apathy does not set in and we turn people out. If we get progressives and the center off their rear ends, we win.

I'm also starting to see the notion that trump refusing to let go of his Obama obsession might help play in the democrats favor, as people who sat on the sidelines in 2016 (and in the process left Obama's legacy out to dry) will not repeat that mistake. We shall see.

I hear ya. It drives me nuts when some pundidiot sets up a straw man argument and then tries to look brilliant by knocking it down. I could post something like "everybody says Handy is a homicidal maniac" but since nobody is actually saying that the burden of proof would be on me to prove that statement.

My view is Chump gets the same 62M people to vote for him more or less. Yes he'll lose the butthurt Sanders supporter vote for the most part and a bit of his base has passed away but I can also see neo-Nazi's, survivalist loons, and various others who don't tend to vote for major political parties if they vote at all showing up for him this time around. That means the left either needs to 1) maximize turnout (Obama in 2008 - 70M votes in total) or 2) hold down the 3rd party % to 2% of vote (Obama in 2012). That extra 1 or 2% spread is the difference between a narrow loss in the electoral college (2016) and a relatively comfortable win (2012).

[Handyman]

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I am not a homicidal maniac...I am maniacal about more than just killing people! Those clowns are amateurs!

**the Patriot Act is not going to be kind to me one day**

[ScoobyDoo]

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Larry O’Donnell is playing matchmaker with Biden and Abrams’.

It's who I would pick.

[Kepler]

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It's who I would pick.

And me. Solves a sh-t ton of problems for him (race, women, liberal cred) and the only people who won't like it are people who will already be against us.

[Handyman]

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It will get ugly...but yeah she is the best candidate at this point.