Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

[RaceBoarder]

As someone who occasionally drives for Door Dash, it's gotten pathetic. They're offering a $10/hour option, but it means you get ****ty orders for $3.25 with no tip. You won't see good orders unless your acceptance rate is over 50%.

And I'm not likely to go back out for them unless it's absolutely necessary.

Being an employee would likely forfeit your ability to refuse that $3.25 order.

Just saying...

[Drew S.]

As someone who occasionally drives for Door Dash, it's gotten pathetic. They're offering a $10/hour option, but it means you get ****ty orders for $3.25 with no tip. You won't see good orders unless your acceptance rate is over 50%.

And I'm not likely to go back out for them unless it's absolutely necessary.

Do they pay you mileage on top of the $10 an hour?

I kind of doubt there are many people who would be better off as employees than independent contractors. Isn’t the whole point having the flexibility?

[dxmnkd316]

We'll have to see what the regulations say.

If the regulations say that a person can opt to be an independent contractor, like the trucking companies do, then this regulation will be a big nothingburger because Lyft and the others will just have contracts with the drivers in which the drivers "opt" to be independent contractors.

On the other hand, if the regulation wants to have real teeth and says that it doesn't matter what the parties supposedly agreed to, that the Department of Labor will look at whether the other factors have been met (economic dependence, work mostly for that company, etc...), then it's really going to mess with the trucking industry and other businesses where the workers actually have a real choice, and many choose to be independent contractors. The reason is that businesses, like trucking companies, won't be able to take the risk.

Sorry, i'm confused here. The trucking companies won't be able to take what risk? Hire drivers as employees? Isn't it kind of necessary to have truck drivers in the trucking industry? Or am I misunderstanding what you're saying here?

[SJHovey]

Sorry, i'm confused here. The trucking companies won't be able to take what risk? Hire drivers as employees? Isn't it kind of necessary to have truck drivers in the trucking industry? Or am I misunderstanding what you're saying here?

What I'm saying is this.

If the regulation lets the system stay where the trucker and the trucking company can agree whether the trucker will be an employee or an independent contractor, then basically the new regulation changes nothing.

I personally think that such a system would be the best system, and I think Handy agrees with that, although I'll let him speak for himself. If the trucker wants the flexibility that comes with being an independent contractor, then I think that should be an option available.

However, if the regulation says that it doesn't matter what the trucking company and trucker may "agree" to, the DOL is going to look at the circumstances and determine whether the trucker is an employee or independent contractor, and going to use things like economic dependence, frequency of times the trucker drives for the company, and things like that, then trucking companies are just going to decide that all truckers are going to have to be employees. They won't be able to risk classifying someone as an independent contractor (even if the trucker wants to be so classified) because the consequences are too great if the DOL decides otherwise. That will be bad, because I think there are truckers out there who own their own trucks and want to remain independent contractors.

[Handyman]

We'll have to see what the regulations say.

If the regulations say that a person can opt to be an independent contractor, like the trucking companies do, then this regulation will be a big nothingburger because Lyft and the others will just have contracts with the drivers in which the drivers "opt" to be independent contractors.

On the other hand, if the regulation wants to have real teeth and says that it doesn't matter what the parties supposedly agreed to, that the Department of Labor will look at whether the other factors have been met (economic dependence, work mostly for that company, etc...), then it's really going to mess with the trucking industry and other businesses where the workers actually have a real choice, and many choose to be independent contractors. The reason is that businesses, like trucking companies, won't be able to take the risk.

Which is why they wont do that. That is too big a step for the people who are in charge. They are big on walking before they run. Not to mention the outrage by the truckers would likely lead to a slow down.

It will be interesting to watch...but none of these companies have earned the benefit of the doubt. To be fair though originally these types of jobs were not supposed to be mainline forms of employment, they were side hustles like bartending is for me. But that doesn't mean the workers dont deserve basic protections.

[Handyman]

What I'm saying is this.

If the regulation lets the system stay where the trucker and the trucking company can agree whether the trucker will be an employee or an independent contractor, then basically the new regulation changes nothing.

I personally think that such a system would be the best system, and I think Handy agrees with that, although I'll let him speak for himself. If the trucker wants the flexibility that comes with being an independent contractor, then I think that should be an option available.

However, if the regulation says that it doesn't matter what the trucking company and trucker may "agree" to, the DOL is going to look at the circumstances and determine whether the trucker is an employee or independent contractor, and going to use things like economic dependence, frequency of times the trucker drives for the company, and things like that, then trucking companies are just going to decide that all truckers are going to have to be employees. They won't be able to risk classifying someone as an independent contractor (even if the trucker wants to be so classified) because the consequences are too great if the DOL decides otherwise. That will be bad, because I think there are truckers out there who own their own trucks and want to remain independent contractors.

Yes I agree with what you are saying. I believe in choice. DOL should not force drivers to be full employees if they dont want to be. If someone wants to be a 1099 and farm themselves out to multiple companies (like truck drivers tend to) they should be allowed to. If someone wants to be exclusive and would be willing to sacrifice a bit of freedom for a steady job they should have that choice as well.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Things are fine, Liz!

https://twitter.com/camillahmturner/...CGcpvzV4LdC9QQ

[MissThundercat]

Being an employee would likely forfeit your ability to refuse that $3.25 order.

Just saying...

Pretty much. It's why I'm choosing not to drive for any of these services unless absolutely necessary.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

How’s it going Liz?

https://twitter.com/populismupdates/...2-5zIPFZAZBAxA

[Jimjamesak]

How’s it going Liz?

https://twitter.com/populismupdates/...2-5zIPFZAZBAxA

I wonder at what point do some Tory MPs hit the point of “**** it” and vote for a no confidence motion?

[dxmnkd316]

How’s it going Liz?

https://twitter.com/populismupdates/...2-5zIPFZAZBAxA

Populism... isn't... popular?

[Kepler]

Lenin, Stalin, Mao
Ho Chi Minh, Castro, Che
Sankara, Kim Il-Sung, Hoxha

[aparch]

Kroger, the number two grocery chain in the US, makes an offer to buy Albertsons, the number four grocery chain in the US.

This.... doesn't seem ideal....

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1580895836980248576

if Rockefeller was alive today, guaranteed we all would be using Standard Oil products. His grave must be humming from his spinning.

[Drew S.]

Kwasi, we hardly knew ya. Great news if Jeremy Hunt is indeed the new chancellor.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

The Brit’s still have their humor

https://twitter.com/sebastianepayne/...5-Pxj8k5xhmveA