Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

[dxmnkd316]

Duh...but there is no way to really know how they voted because there is no way to poll all of them.

Right but my point is that just because union leadership endorsed them doesn't mean the members did.

[Handyman]

Im a Union Steward trust me I know. ;^)

That said I would bet the majority did not go to Trump.

[Jimjamesak]

Im a Union Steward trust me I know. ;^)

That said I would bet the majority did not go to Trump.

Yeah, I think “union people don’t care what their leaders think” trope is BS. Is it a perfect 100%? No, of course not.

[Kepler]

Yeah, I think “union people don’t care what their leaders think” trope is BS. Is it a perfect 100%? No, of course not.

It's part of the union hate BS spewed by the Right. Unions were one of the most effective protections for working people against the predations of the owners, so obviously the Right has attempted to destroy them since day one. This is just more of that crap.

I suspect that while there was organized crime in unions it was also wildly overexaggerated in the rush by the Right to destroy this tool to fight the Plutes.

[Handyman]

Even the worst unions are ten times better than no unions at all. It isn't even close...

I will never understand union workers that vote Republican. The GOP has always been openly hostile to all unions and advocates for the banning of collective bargaining. If you hate your union that much switch ****ing careers.

[RaceBoarder]

Part of the issue is people from outside the union world see random, singular events that make ABSOLUTELY ZERO SENSE and then apply that logic to unions as a whole.

Example: Several people I know over the years have commented on how the IBEW (Electrician's Union) works up at the McCormick Place convention center. Basically you need a Union Electrician to do anything related to electricity. This includes benign tasks like moving electrical cords on the floor so you don't trip and plugging ANYTHING into or out of an outlet. Many times people have to wait an extended period of time before a union guy comes over and does the literal two second task.

Stuff like that is what puts unions as a whole in a bad light. Those situations are blown up and made to go viral.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

That is literally the scenario the electrician in my family uses about the union

[LynahFan]

Old (not) joke: how many IATSE electricians does it take to change a light bulb?

5, and it takes them 4 hours. One guy to hold each leg of the ladder, one to change the bulb, and the minimum call is 4 hours.

A common practice to reduce operating cost was to hang 2 lights in each place where one is needed, then wait to call in the crew until enough bulbs had blown that they actually had 4 hours worth of work.

[Jimjamesak]

Part of the issue is people from outside the union world see random, singular events that make ABSOLUTELY ZERO SENSE and then apply that logic to unions as a whole.

Example: Several people I know over the years have commented on how the IBEW (Electrician's Union) works up at the McCormick Place convention center. Basically you need a Union Electrician to do anything related to electricity. This includes benign tasks like moving electrical cords on the floor so you don't trip and plugging ANYTHING into or out of an outlet. Many times people have to wait an extended period of time before a union guy comes over and does the literal two second task.

Stuff like that is what puts unions as a whole in a bad light. Those situations are blown up and made to go viral.

There’s a myriad of reasons but they boil down to about two:

1. Liability protection. You plug something into an outlet, it goes haywire, you get electrocuted and decide to sue. Well, pretty easy defense of “we told you not to do it.”

2. Job protection. Contract says they handle anything in the building with electric and wiring so it’s not your ****ing job. And the problem, especially in our capitalist system, is if you give an inch, the bosses will absolutely take a mile. If they let people plug in their own cords without a change in the contract wording, then what else can be ignored? Yeah, it’s ridiculous, but don’t blame the union for protecting their jobs.

(A lot of this probably doesn’t make sense to people who have zero clue about working in a union and having a CBA and it’s work rules but, to someone like me who does, it makes perfect sense.)

[RaceBoarder]

There’s a myriad of reasons but they boil down to about two:

1. Liability protection. You plug something into an outlet, it goes haywire, you get electrocuted and decide to sue. Well, pretty easy defense of “we told you not to do it.”

2. Job protection. Contract says they handle anything in the building with electric and wiring so it’s not your ****ing job. And the problem, especially in our capitalist system, is if you give an inch, the bosses will absolutely take a mile. If they let people plug in their own cords without a change in the contract wording, then what else can be ignored? Yeah, it’s ridiculous, but don’t blame the union for protecting their jobs.

(A lot of this probably doesn’t make sense to people who have zero clue about working in a union and having a CBA and it’s work rules but, to someone like me who does, it makes perfect sense.)

So how do you sell someone who isn't involved in a Union environment on the idea of needing someone to be paid $50+ per hour to plug in the power cord for the monitor that will be showing the booth's video?

Also, how do you quell the stories of the "bad apple" union employees who take advantage of everyone else being dependent on them? I'm talking about stuff like saying something that ticked off Jeff for whatever reason, so now your convention booth is now at the bottom of the TO DO list... Cause those are indeed a very real thing in this deal. Unfortunately it shows that the "Union Stereotype" does have it's origins in some truth...

That's more of where I was going with this.

[Kepler]

An interesting historical example of how one nation liberated itself, somewhat, from its Plutes.

[French Rage]

Why am I being silenced??!?!?! https://www.foxnews.com/us/dilbert-a...-77-newspapers

[ScoobyDoo]

Why am I being silenced??!?!?! https://www.foxnews.com/us/dilbert-a...-77-newspapers

Another ****ing idiot who doesn't understand the 1st Amendment to the Constitution of the United States and what it means.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Why am I being silenced??!?!?! https://www.foxnews.com/us/dilbert-a...-77-newspapers

*Successful millionaire cartoonist for 30+ years gets dropped by 100 newspapers, out of the thousands that still print his tired, has-been shtick*

"WHY AM I BEING CANCELED?!?!"

Someone tell Scott Adams to go listen to WOLD. They prefer the young sound, dude.

[Kepler]

*Successful millionaire cartoonist for 30+ years gets dropped by 100 newspapers, out of the thousands that still print his tired, has-been shtick*

"WHY AM I BEING CANCELED?!?!"

Someone tell Scott Adams to go listen to WOLD. They prefer the young sound, dude.

West Omaha Library Department?

I am so out of it...