Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

[ticapnews]

RSNs are going to have to adapt to new models as are the teams that rely on them. I am thinking leagues or teams will have to start their own streaming networks to really be safe.

Amazon paid a billion just for one NFL game a week iirc. The NFL is too big to fail and the fans will never quit it.

Never say never. It took a few generations but people abandoned baseball. Boxing too. (Without Googling, anyone know the current heavyweight champ? I don't)
Football has become a behemoth but it can revert back to what it was 60 years ago.

[Jimjamesak]

RSNs are going to have to adapt to new models as are the teams that rely on them. I am thinking leagues or teams will have to start their own streaming networks to really be safe.

Amazon paid a billion just for one NFL game a week iirc. The NFL is too big to fail and the fans will never quit it.

Apple is paying MLS $2.5 billion ($250 million x 10) for their rights to stream matches, I have to imagine MLB/NBA/NHL could get a good amount of coin for something similar.

[Handyman]

You’re definitely right about the NFL. Re: the RSNs like Bally, I think it’s big trouble for MLB and the NHL, probably for the NBA too but I’d say they have enough star power and good enough demographics that they can move on. MLB is absolutely ****ed if the RSN money keeps drying up though.

There’s already a shift to streaming with ESPN as they tighten the belts. If you’re not the NFL, NBA, or College Football (and really only the SEC in that) then you’re likely off to ESPN+, look at the NHL. It’ll be interesting to see what they do with their remaining soccer rights (La Liga, Bundesliga, the lower English leagues) as they’ve already been shedding those over the last year or two (MLS, US Soccer, the Euros and other UEFA rights).

RSNs are going to have to adapt to new models as are the teams that rely on them. I am thinking leagues or teams will have to start their own streaming networks to really be safe.

Amazon paid a billion just for one NFL game a week iirc. The NFL is too big to fail and the fans will never quit it.

[dxmnkd316]

You’re definitely right about the NFL. Re: the RSNs like Bally, I think it’s big trouble for MLB and the NHL, probably for the NBA too but I’d say they have enough star power and good enough demographics that they can move on. MLB is absolutely ****ed if the RSN money keeps drying up though.

There’s already a shift to streaming with ESPN as they tighten the belts. If you’re not the NFL, NBA, or College Football (and really only the SEC in that) then you’re likely off to ESPN+, look at the NHL. It’ll be interesting to see what they do with their remaining soccer rights (La Liga, Bundesliga, the lower English leagues) as they’ve already been shedding those over the last year or two (MLS, US Soccer, the Euros and other UEFA rights).

WOuldn't be surprised if the networks make the jump to a streaming platform. Or create their own to keep all the contracts in house. COuld be worth an assload in the long run even if the up front capital is massive. I hear there's lots of tech workers available right now.

[Kepler]

Claim the teams by eminent domain. Give ownership of the teams to the players and the cities.

Compensate the owners with the valuations of the teams they have been claiming for tax purposes. If they complain, jail them for admitted tax fraud.

[mookie1995]

The prices for a full game day experience have priced most fans out of attending events, plus going to an NFL game now is a joke. Player salaries are out of control but owners have been able to afford to pay them because of TV revenues. How much longer is the current model sustainable?

Until the owners start selling their teams or declaring bankruptcy, it is sustainable and the players aren’t making too much.

until then….

[French Rage]

Makes sense to me. Entertainment that's not an event (sports, concert, politics, mass shooting) is going to keep on fragmenting.

Also, I'm assuming these are live or mostly-live ratings? Sports it makes sense to tune into when it's happening, sure you can watch later on DVR but there's a good chance of spoilers in the meantime. Any scripted show, you can watch a few days later and not miss out on anything. Even if there is appointment scripted TV, it seems all of those are on streaming services now. Network TV, and heck even most of cable TV, is not the same cop or hospital show 50 times over, and does it really matter if you're watching a new NCIS or an old one you've seen 50 times already, you're more there for the background noise if anything.

[ticapnews]

Panem et circenses.

[Kepler]

Wow... Only 6 of the top 100 broadcasts were Non-sports. And 4 of those were "political" events. So basically those are "Once in a lifetime".

Shows how much the sports world (with the NFL as the no-questions asked leader) has a stranglehold on the TV world.

Makes sense to me. Entertainment that's not an event (sports, concert, politics, mass shooting) is going to keep on fragmenting.

I'm sure this is happening with books as well. 1M is a great volume sale for a single title for a single year, and in the US 1B book units move a year. That's 1:000. I would bet the book runs of the biggest selling books a hundred years ago were ten or more times that ratio volume. Obviously, same for music.

[Jimjamesak]

The NFL isn't going to collapse because the ratings will never drop meaning ad revenue will be huge meshing tv contracts will be ridiculous. I doubt they care about attendance they probably make more having them watch from home.

Look at the ratings every week, the NFL dominates. End of the year look at the top 100 highest rated shows added and count the anoint of NFL games. Gambling has made it even a bigger behemoth. It has naively sucked the air out of all other sports outside college football.

Until such time that the ratings tank consistently the NFL will be untouchable. It sucks but it's true...

You’re definitely right about the NFL. Re: the RSNs like Bally, I think it’s big trouble for MLB and the NHL, probably for the NBA too but I’d say they have enough star power and good enough demographics that they can move on. MLB is absolutely ****ed if the RSN money keeps drying up though.

There’s already a shift to streaming with ESPN as they tighten the belts. If you’re not the NFL, NBA, or College Football (and really only the SEC in that) then you’re likely off to ESPN+, look at the NHL. It’ll be interesting to see what they do with their remaining soccer rights (La Liga, Bundesliga, the lower English leagues) as they’ve already been shedding those over the last year or two (MLS, US Soccer, the Euros and other UEFA rights).

[RaceBoarder]

Wow... Only 6 of the top 100 broadcasts were Non-sports. And 4 of those were "political" events. So basically those are "Once in a lifetime".

Shows how much the sports world (with the NFL as the no-questions asked leader) has a stranglehold on the TV world.

[dxmnkd316]

The NFL isn't going to collapse because the ratings will never drop meaning ad revenue will be huge meshing tv contracts will be ridiculous. I doubt they care about attendance they probably make more having them watch from home.

Look at the ratings every week, the NFL dominates. End of the year look at the top 100 highest rated shows added and count the anoint of NFL games. Gambling has made it even a bigger behemoth. It has naively sucked the air out of all other sports outside college football.

Until such time that the ratings tank consistently the NFL will be untouchable. It sucks but it's true...

Jesus, didn't realize how true this is.

82 of the top 100 were NFL games
https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/202...ielsen-ratings

Then again, this is just Nielson. So...

[French Rage]

The NFL isn't going to collapse because the ratings will never drop meaning ad revenue will be huge meshing tv contracts will be ridiculous. I doubt they care about attendance they probably make more having them watch from home.

Look at the ratings every week, the NFL dominates. End of the year look at the top 100 highest rated shows added and count the anoint of NFL games. Gambling has made it even a bigger behemoth. It has naively sucked the air out of all other sports outside college football.

Until such time that the ratings tank consistently the NFL will be untouchable. It sucks but it's true...

True. Look at the NBA Finals ratings compared to a random NFL regular season game. I mean, I know the former is 7 games, but I doubt a Lakers-Celtics game 7 final these days would even place in the top 10 of NFL games for the year.

And yes, you do wonder what the future holds for actually attending games. I don't know what it's like for other conferences, but for the Pac-12 you usually know the time of a home game only a week before the game, so they can move what they feel are the bigger draws to the better times. For my wife and I that's not a dealbreaker, but if you have kids and their activities to worry about that doesn't really give you enough advance to plan around that. And mind you, this is only for the Pac-12 TV contract, which is a crap TV contract, so I can only imagine how it is elsewhere.

Are we getting past the point where it makes sense to have people at the game? I know that sounds dumb, but time was, that was literally the only way to see it. Then TV came along, but for awhile TV was crappy and in-person still gave you a better viewpoint. Now with HD you see way more on TV than in person. And with the desire for more angles and more cameras and everything else, at what point do the people at the game frankly get in the way. Just have a few souped-up TV-only stadiums, that's what they seem to be working towards anyways. (Of course, that said, when they did that during Covid no one really liked it.)

[Handyman]

The NFL isn't going to collapse because the ratings will never drop meaning ad revenue will be huge meshing tv contracts will be ridiculous. I doubt they care about attendance they probably make more having them watch from home.

Look at the ratings every week, the NFL dominates. End of the year look at the top 100 highest rated shows added and count the anoint of NFL games. Gambling has made it even a bigger behemoth. It has naively sucked the air out of all other sports outside college football.

Until such time that the ratings tank consistently the NFL will be untouchable. It sucks but it's true...

[ScoobyDoo]

The prices for a full game day experience have priced most fans out of attending events, plus going to an NFL game now is a joke. Player salaries are out of control but owners have been able to afford to pay them because of TV revenues. How much longer is the current model sustainable?

Correct on all counts. I have no idea how long the sustain is on any of this but it's going to be a huge collapse when it collapses.