Antiwork

[Kepler]

An advantage of being an Old. When Lumbergh says "If you could work this weekend that'd be great" I reply "Let's table that discussion until Monday!" on my way out.

As god is my witness I'll never work > 40 again nor will the people under me.

[jerphisch]

An advantage of being an Old. When Lumbergh says "If you could work this weekend that'd be great" I reply "Let's table that discussion until Monday!" on my way out.

As god is my witness I'll never work > 40 again nor will the people under me.

I feel the same way and never ask anyone to, but some of those people may still have ambition and do it anyway. Silly kids...

[Kepler]

I feel the same way and never ask anyone to, but some of those people may still have ambition and do it anyway. Silly kids...

It's false hustle. People get burned out and you're paying them for sh-t work.

I've tried to spread this gospel everywhere I've gone. Some managers get it, some are still HURR TEH LONG HOURS EQUAL COMMITMENT DURR !!!!

If my direct needs to work overtime to accomplish her tasks then either (1) she's inefficient and I should find somebody else or (2) I suck at scoping her work and she shouldn't pay for my idiocy.

[unofan]

It's false hustle. People get burned out and you're paying them for sh-t work.

I've tried to spread this gospel everywhere I've gone. Some managers get it, some are still HURR TEH LONG HOURS EQUAL COMMITMENT DURR !!!!

If my direct needs to work overtime to accomplish her tasks then either (1) she's inefficient and I should find somebody else or (2) I suck at scoping her work and she shouldn't pay for my idiocy.

Meh, there are legitimate times overtime is necessary. Did something unexpected happen? Are there certain tasks that have to be done in a certain order, with an inherent rush to complete steps B,C, and D after A is completed so that E can move forward in a timely manner?

My wife and I both know that if we're in trial, we're working 12+ hour days till closings are done. It's unavoidable.

Yes, overtime should absolutely not be the norm and should be discouraged. But a blanket prohibition ignores that reality often throws curveballs at the most inopportune times.

[Kepler]

Emergencies, yes.

But (1) if you're having emergencies every month then somebody in senior management is doing a terrible job, and (2) that extra work is going to be shoddy and as hours extend of such vanishing value that it eventually becomes counterproductive. People have to recharge, they are not machines.

My definition of an emergency is call the CEO. If she thinks it is important enough that she will come in, then OK. If you don't have the stones to call her then why should anybody else come in? You can't just have a system where your underlings will always absorb bad management. That's no longer work, it's a death march, and only workers with no other options will continue under those circumstances.

Things are finally changing. Being battered is no longer a workplace expectation; it's assault.

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Also, money...if you get paid 1.5x for first OT shift of the month and 2x for any other...:-)

[MissThundercat]

I'll give credit to my Meijer lead: no more going over 40.

She saw us looking stressed as all hell and decided to give us a break.

That said, I still won't see a Saturday or Sunday to myself unless specifically requested.

[dxmnkd316]

Meh, there are legitimate times overtime is necessary. Did something unexpected happen? Are there certain tasks that have to be done in a certain order, with an inherent rush to complete steps B,C, and D after A is completed so that E can move forward in a timely manner?

My wife and I both know that if we're in trial, we're working 12+ hour days till closings are done. It's unavoidable.

Yes, overtime should absolutely not be the norm and should be discouraged. But a blanket prohibition ignores that reality often throws curveballs at the most inopportune times.

I tend to agree. There are legit times. I managed an emergency project once, and it met Kepler's definition to boot. The CEO received daily updates up the management chain. I had unlimited spending and resources. I ended up working 31 days straight and was given comp days and a nice bonus from the manufacturing budget (which... never happens since we're corporate). That emergency was shutting down the first plants after three days. So it happens.

the big reason I'm working these weekends is to be done and over with this anchor around my neck. This has been by far the worst project I've ever had. It's also is a very important process and downtime is a premium. The only reason we're not doing three shifts is because we're short on labor.

[Kepler]

Also, money...if you get paid 1.5x for first OT shift of the month and 2x for any other...:-)

That'd help. Everybody I'm talking about is exempt.

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

That'd help. Everybody I'm talking about is exempt.

Officially I am too, but I’m union.

[Jimjamesak]

Also, money...if you get paid 1.5x for first OT shift of the month and 2x for any other...:-)

Wow, wish I had yours. Ours is 1.5x for anything past 8 hours or the sixth day of the week, 2x for seventh day.

[Swansong]

Emergencies, yes.

But (1) if you're having emergencies every month then somebody in senior management is doing a terrible job, and (2) that extra work is going to be shoddy and as hours extend of such vanishing value that it eventually becomes counterproductive. People have to recharge, they are not machines.

My definition of an emergency is call the CEO. If she thinks it is important enough that she will come in, then OK. If you don't have the stones to call her then why should anybody else come in? You can't just have a system where your underlings will always absorb bad management. That's no longer work, it's a death march, and only workers with no other options will continue under those circumstances.

Things are finally changing. Being battered is no longer a workplace expectation; it's assault.

I mostly agree with this. We're paid for and expected to work 40 hours per week. I also work in an industry that is ... a bit more variable and during the pandemic, absolutely slammed. So I don't mind at all if some weeks push 50+, so long as no one hassles me for leaving early when it's slower. We have a couple of managers on the operations side that seem to think "emergency" means "any time I want something done", and we politely refuse.


Summer of 2020 we got hit with a ransomware attack and I easily worked 70-80 hours for a few weeks straight, and then left early every other day and took like a month of friday's off (without using PTO). It didn't totally balance out, but close enough. I also ended up getting the biggest raise of my entire life last month, in no small part because of the amount of work I've done since March of 2020.

[RaceBoarder]

Yesterday we had a storm come through the area and it took out power to our building around 4:15pm. Got sent home at 4:45pm when the power was still out (5pm is normal dismissal).

Went in today to work OT (I work a Sat-Tue schedule) only to see that power was STILL out at 6am. So instead of paying the OT rate for me to sit around with my thumb up my ***, they sent me home, ha ha....

And relating to OT: My job has it regularly. It's just the nature of the logistics business. It ebbs and flows. For me it's anything beyond your normal 8 or 10 hour shift and anything on your normal days off. If you work a holiday you will get a days worth of holiday pay on top of the OT rate that you work.

Yes, it's long hours. But it also has finally allowed me to earn a wage where I don't need to allocate every cent and I'm able to have something in reserve if things go sideways...

[jerphisch]

Yay, my program is part of the piece of the company being sold to some company I've never heard of that is HQ in Madison....MS. Oof...

[dxmnkd316]

ugh... that's not good.