Antiwork

[RaceBoarder]

If it is abused terribly it would be interesting to try a class action suit of everybody who wasted their time applying. Force the company to prove there was a job that was awarded.

The government can't just float an RFP, collect proposals, and then say "kidding!" This is that behavior, just targeted at (vulnerable) individuals.

I've heard stories of companies offering internal transfers, then firing the employees who apply as "malcontents." IINM that is now illegal.

It's a way to collect resumes and information. If someone who truly stands out comes their way they can offer something. But mostly its a way to "keep their eyes open" for something that would benefit them.

[MichVandal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpUO...b_channel=CNBC

Yea, vacation is important. I was one of the oddballs that bought vacation time and fully and utterly disconnected when I left. But I know many people who didn't take all of their vacation time. No idea why, as we did the exact same thing.

And I knew some of those people who seemed rather resentful that I used so much time off. As if they could not do what we did.

Work to live, people, not the other way around.

[Swansong]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpUO...b_channel=CNBC

Yea, vacation is important. I was one of the oddballs that bought vacation time and fully and utterly disconnected when I left. But I know many people who didn't take all of their vacation time. No idea why, as we did the exact same thing.

And I knew some of those people who seemed rather resentful that I used so much time off. As if they could not do what we did.

Work to live, people, not the other way around.

So I work for a hospital system and all of our time off is in one bucket - vacation, sick, personal, holiday, everything - but at the moment I have over 400 hours available. During 2020 and 2021 I took almost no time off save for holidays and some long weekends and it really piled up. This year I'm definitely taking more time, but I'm running into a 450 hour max, where it stops accruing and moves to a short-term disability pool (that hopefully I'll never use).

But i'm taking 2 weeks off in August, almost a week off in June and then will do more in the fall. 2020 and 2021 were busy and I felt good about what I was working on so didn't want to stop. Now? Yeah, crisis over, time to enjoy some of that banked time.

[Kepler]

I don't take enough vacation. Particularly because when I went from 16 years tenure to zero I lost 3 weeks of PTO a year. However, the instant I leave work, work ceases to exist. It occupies exactly 0% of my mind until I go back in.

Work is an impingement on life, like waiting at the DMV. It is a temporary necessity as we amass the technology and political power to be rid of first drudgery and then the management and ownership classes.

Slave whips were big business once, too.

[Swansong]

I don't take enough vacation. Particularly because when I went from 16 years tenure to zero I lost 3 weeks of PTO a year. However, the instant I leave work, work ceases to exist. It occupies exactly 0% of my mind until I go back in.

Work is an impingement on life, like waiting at the DMV. It is a temporary necessity as we amass the technology and political power

I wish that were the case for me. As a manager of a "critical system", I am second alert for very escalated issues. Fortunately, by the time I'd be notified - and that could happen at any time - there'd be a team working on the problem already, and my job would mainly be to interface with external resources as needed.

But, still, technically on call 24/7. Good thing they pay me well. And I have a great team that does their job well.

[Kepler]

I wish that were the case for me. As a manager of a "critical system", I am second alert for very escalated issues. Fortunately, by the time I'd be notified - and that could happen at any time - there'd be a team working on the problem already, and my job would mainly be to interface with external resources as needed.

But, still, technically on call 24/7. Good thing they pay me well. And I have a great team that does their job well.

People who have meaningful work (doctors, teachers, therapists, social workers, fire and rescue) are different because without them people suffer. Which is why you should be the highest paid professionals, be the best staffed, and have the best benefits, vacations, and retirements. You, scientists, artists, and researchers are the only heroes.

The rest of us are either prisoners (cube slaves, engineers, guvvies, retail, laborers) or parasites (managers, owners, sales, marketing, and finance).

[MichVandal]

The rest of us are either prisoners (cube slaves, engineers, guvvies, retail, laborers) or parasites (managers, owners, sales, marketing, and finance).

On that note, the underlying story behind the article I posted is that people are GIVING free work to their employer. Willingly.

Sure, some people can carry over vacation from one year to another, but unless you use is before it gets eliminated, those lost hours are free work.

Swan, my wife was in your situation, too (sort of- the ability to roll over vacation)- in the end, thanks to the pandemic preventing us from taking normal vacations, she ended up right at the upper limit of vacation at retirement. Which was a pretty darned nice payout. I resisted taking all of my vacation in my retirement year, and also got a decent paycheck- but I couldn't carry over year to year- it was use or lose.

Still, I really question how the US got into this position- as a society, we literally live to work, and in spite of the "hustle culture"- we are not even close to the most productive working society in the world. Just like how our healthcare system results in lower length and quality lifespans. And as an example of that, one of the worst abusers of his employees is celebrated as some kind of hero- Musk.

[wolverineTrumpet]

All this talk, my employee is taking full advantage of time off, good for him, crap for me. He put in his 2 weeks notice and is now going to take 4.5 days off. He's already used up more than half his vacation time this year, but our company gives all the hours at the beginning of the year (and then doesn't let us roll over any). If it were prorated he'd be out of time, but it's not, so now I have 5 more days of my engineer here and then I hope they let me hire a replacement.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Yeah that’s why my company won’t allow pto once you’ve given notice, ouch

[Kepler]

Yeah that’s why my company won’t allow pto once you’ve given notice, ouch

I zeroed my PTO because before giving notice.

[MissThundercat]

HR gave me bits of good news yesterday:

1. The last little bit of my retention bonus ($250) will be paid after 9 months, not the full year.

2. I was also informed Case Management wants my resume and I've been strongly recommended for the position. I'm doing well on the Residential floor, but my arthritis requires corrective surgery and the constant movement has led to crying and exhaustion.

[Swansong]

Awesome! Case Management can be incredibly difficult. I've worked with a ton, in hospital and SNF and rehab center facilities. That is a criminally underfunded role.

[MissThundercat]

Awesome! Case Management can be incredibly difficult. I've worked with a ton, in hospital and SNF and rehab center facilities. That is a criminally underfunded role.

Thank you!

If not, I know my pay will increase next month and my current supervisors think highly of me.

And I have teenagers at my job who think I'm cool. They've appointed me Staff Mom!

[Scarlet]

So, either someone I vented to about not receiving an e-thank you card (mentioned here earlier) told someone or it just took FOREVER, but I wound up getting a recognition award for all the work I did on that event in March. A little bit of egg on my face. It actually did take forever for some reason as when I went to thank my manager for it, she said "I submitted that NINE DAYS ago! I was wondering why you didn't say anything!" And I also go two others that were totally unexpected. So it was a good week last week.

[MissThundercat]

My interview for Foster Care Case Manager is tomorrow.

I'm thinking a black blazer, black pants, black shirt, and black shoes should be appropriate.