Antiwork

[Swansong]

Boy do I get that. I need 2-3 days before I stop reflexively checking work emails or chat messages. I really like my job overall and I understood going in that, as a manager, 24 hour access (not work, but emergency access) was expectation. Unfortunately we've had this whole pandemic thing so there's always some urgent thing going on (get testing sites set up, get test interfaces working with the state, get telemedicine implemented, figure out how to manage your team remotely, then the ransomware attack last summer, then the vaccines and vaccine clinics, now it's corporate restructuring...).


I need like 10-14 solid days off. 3 to get my mind out of work mode, and the rest to relax.

[Kepler]

It did?

"formal"

[SJHovey]

I'd like to think my grandchildren will look back at the early 21st century as the modern US equivalent of indentured servitude.

Sort of the same way your grandparents would look at your generation and think you soft and lazy.

This whole thread makes me laugh. No one is forcing any of you to work at all, let alone eight hours a day for five days a week (the horror!) You do it because you want to live in a nice house, drive a nice car, pay off that fancy degree hanging on your wall, etc...

What people really want is just to go back to when they were eight, and have someone give them free shelter, food, clothing and the opportunity to ride their bike, play video games or go fishing all day.

Good luck.

[jerphisch]

Sort of the same way your grandparents would look at your generation and think you soft and lazy.

This whole thread makes me laugh. No one is forcing any of you to work at all, let alone eight hours a day for five days a week (the horror!) You do it because you want to live in a nice house, drive a nice car, pay off that fancy degree hanging on your wall, etc...

What people really want is just to go back to when they were eight, and have someone give them free shelter, food, clothing and the opportunity to ride their bike, play video games or go fishing all day.

Good luck.

How about simply acknowledging gains in productivity through reduced work weeks? https://www.bbc.com/news/business-57724779

[Kepler]

Sort of the same way your grandparents would look at your generation and think you soft and lazy.

This whole thread makes me laugh. No one is forcing any of you to work at all, let alone eight hours a day for five days a week (the horror!) You do it because you want to live in a nice house, drive a nice car, pay off that fancy degree hanging on your wall, etc...

What people really want is just to go back to when they were eight, and have someone give them free shelter, food, clothing and the opportunity to ride their bike, play video games or go fishing all day.

Good luck.

Spoken like a Lochner conservative arguing against the 40-hour work week.

Your argument carries no weight because of the tremendous inequality of the distribution of the proceeds of our system. If we were all in it together then you might have a point, but the people who do the work are carrying parasites who accrue all the wealth. That invalidates everything in your statement.

[state of hockey]

My grandparents, before they passed, enjoyed seeing how their hard work made things better for us. It doesn't surprise me that my grandparents and Hovey's were very different people, though.

[MissThundercat]

Sort of the same way your grandparents would look at your generation and think you soft and lazy.

This whole thread makes me laugh. No one is forcing any of you to work at all, let alone eight hours a day for five days a week (the horror!) You do it because you want to live in a nice house, drive a nice car, pay off that fancy degree hanging on your wall, etc...

What people really want is just to go back to when they were eight, and have someone give them free shelter, food, clothing and the opportunity to ride their bike, play video games or go fishing all day.

Good luck.

And then you went to a major retail chain and barked at an 18 year old about something wildly outside their pay grade.

I see people like you every day.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

My grandparents, before they passed, enjoyed seeing how their hard work made things better for us. It doesn't surprise me that my grandparents and Hovey's were very different people, though.

Definitely a classic hovey post and I expect no different.
example of entitlement and ignorance all wrapped up in one message, impressive

[Kepler]

This explains Hovey perfectly.

[RaceBoarder]

Sort of the same way your grandparents would look at your generation and think you soft and lazy.

This whole thread makes me laugh. No one is forcing any of you to work at all, let alone eight hours a day for five days a week (the horror!) You do it because you want to live in a nice house, drive a nice car, pay off that fancy degree hanging on your wall, etc...

What people really want is just to go back to when they were eight, and have someone give them free shelter, food, clothing and the opportunity to ride their bike, play video games or go fishing all day.

Good luck.

I mean, I kinda just want to have a roof over my head, have a minimal/managable amount of debt, and have some cash in reserve in case something goes sideways. Kinda hard to do that without working...

Not saying that I feel that I should be made CEO and paid seven/eight-figures for what I do, but I also feel that people at my level should earn a wage that allows them to do the above. Being poor is friggin expensive in our current situation and is tremendously difficult to break it's repeating cycle.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

How about simply acknowledging gains in productivity through reduced work weeks? https://www.bbc.com/news/business-57724779

Dis iz Amurica! ;-)

Why you guys expect the resident small business owner to have any other opinion is hilarious to me. I'm quite sure my retired father would say the exact same thing. They struggled to staff their non-profit group homes when times were good because fast food and retail could afford to pay a bit better, and given the choice very few people want to do direct care work for disabled adults vs. flipping burgers.

The efficiencies and productivity increases that have been achieved by the use of computers, automation, etc. and any future increases to come are offset by a reduced need for labor headcount. The 40 hour work week is going nowhere, businesses will simply hire fewer people and expect to squeeze more out of those whom they do employ. If you audited a lot of IT and HR departments, you could expect to weed out 30% of the staff by implementing the software and process changes to move to a self-service delivery model as much as possible.

[MichVandal]

Sort of the same way your grandparents would look at your generation and think you soft and lazy.

This whole thread makes me laugh. No one is forcing any of you to work at all, let alone eight hours a day for five days a week (the horror!) You do it because you want to live in a nice house, drive a nice car, pay off that fancy degree hanging on your wall, etc...

What people really want is just to go back to when they were eight, and have someone give them free shelter, food, clothing and the opportunity to ride their bike, play video games or go fishing all day.

Good luck.

Seems that this opinion should mean that you should not ***** about not being able to find labor to fill your needs. So far, you have not really posted anything about lack of labor- but if you can't find workers, based on this opinion- that's just the way it is.

Besides questioning laboring so much to fill the pockets of people way above them, this pandemic has also done a real job at resetting what people's realistic expectations of life really are. Tiny homes, working out of a van, living in a remote area for work, etc. Seeing the struggle to fill jobs, that adjustment seems pretty clear to me.

Which means that we should expect business owners to complain about lazy people. A lot.

[SJHovey]

Seems that this opinion should mean that you should not ***** about not being able to find labor to fill your needs. So far, you have not really posted anything about lack of labor- but if you can't find workers, based on this opinion- that's just the way it is.

Besides questioning laboring so much to fill the pockets of people way above them, this pandemic has also done a real job at resetting what people's realistic expectations of life really are. Tiny homes, working out of a van, living in a remote area for work, etc. Seeing the struggle to fill jobs, that adjustment seems pretty clear to me.

Which means that we should expect business owners to complain about lazy people. A lot.

I think there is a labor shortage in many areas, and certainly many industries. I don't really see that changing, for a variety of reasons, including the demographics of baby boomers retiring and a desire to keep immigrants out. I'm not sure telling everyone to just cut back their work hours to 24 a week is the way to solve that shortage, but I don't have the big brain of a lot of folks here.

[The Sicatoka]

I'm not sure telling everyone to just cut back their work hours to 24 a week is the way to solve that shortage, ...

Sure it is:
- cut jobs back to 24 hours per week
- everyone has time now for two jobs
- more open jobs filled!

Presto! Viola! Badabing!

[dxmnkd316]

Spoken like a Lochner conservative arguing against the 40-hour work week.

Your argument carries no weight because of the tremendous inequality of the distribution of the proceeds of our system. If we were all in it together then you might have a point, but the people who do the work are carrying parasites who accrue all the wealth. That invalidates everything in your statement.

Exactly. Here's the problem I have. I bust my *** for my company to the point that I'm beyond exhausted at the end of the workday. Meanwhile, the corporation and shareholders take by far the lion's share. My company had about 750M in payroll while shareholders received $4.8 billion of the $5.3 billion in net income.

**** that "you don't have to work" argument to the moon forever.