Antiwork

[Jimjamesak]

Man, that's a terrible system. I could see where it would definitely "encourage" workers to turn a one day illness into three days, with medical care, just to try to get under the FMLA.

Of all the systems I've been exposed to as an employee or an employer, I still like our current one the best. Maybe 20 years ago we went away from vacation time, sick leave and all the rest. Everything is just PTO. I don't care why you are gone, whether you're sick, in Mexico on vacation, or home banging the babysitter. Use your PTO until you're out, and at that point you need to show up for work.

Here’s a sad fact: Our system is considered “generous”, as in there are far worse systems out there. Welcome to working class America.

[Kepler]

Man, that's a terrible system. I could see where it would definitely "encourage" workers to turn a one day illness into three days, with medical care, just to try to get under the FMLA.

Of all the systems I've been exposed to as an employee or an employer, I still like our current one the best. Maybe 20 years ago we went away from vacation time, sick leave and all the rest. Everything is just PTO. I don't care why you are gone, whether you're sick, in Mexico on vacation, or home banging the babysitter. Use your PTO until you're out, and at that point you need to show up for work.

No, that system is terrible too.

What we need is this: you get x hours of PTO a year for every purpose EXCEPT those which are unavoidable.

If you're sick or pregnant or on jury duty you get paid. Period. You didn't do it on purpose. If your employer wants to get reimbursed he can use his ****ing nuclear weapons lobby to bribe the gubbmint to pay him back out of the public purse.

The idea that you burn your PTO on an illness is disgusting.

[SJHovey]

If you're ........... pregnant ...................... you get paid. Period. You didn't do it on purpose.

Joseph?

[Kepler]

Joseph?

"I don't like to talk about that." -- Joseph

[dxmnkd316]

No, that system is terrible too.

What we need is this: you get x hours of PTO a year for every purpose EXCEPT those which are unavoidable.

If you're sick or pregnant or on jury duty you get paid. Period. You didn't do it on purpose. If your employer wants to get reimbursed he can use his ****ing nuclear weapons lobby to bribe the gubbmint to pay him back out of the public purse.

The idea that you burn your PTO on an illness is disgusting.

that's what we have. Vacation and 4-5 floating holidays are yours to use. Jury duty, sick time, etc is all separate and somewhat unlimited.

pregnancy is a little weird but works out ok for women. Maybe below average now.

[dxmnkd316]

Yeah, PTO for sick time is ****ing stupid

[RaceBoarder]

Maybe it's the 30+ years I have of having a good work ethic, but I feel that at some point people need to step up to the plate and do the job expected of them...

I get 160 hours (4 weeks) of time off work currently (200 hours/5 weeks on Jan 1, 2023). The problem comes in when people use it for stupid **** in the beginning of the year and then have "legit" need come Sept - Dec....

Currently 80% of our building has used at least some of their vacation time already in 2022 with a handful of people already through their 80 hours/2 weeks of PTO (can be used anytime with no advanced scheduling). I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy with people that **** around like that... They deserve to "find out" later in the year.

[Kepler]

Maybe it's the 30+ years I have of having a good work ethic, but I feel that at some point people need to step up to the plate and do the job expected of them...

You owe your employer exactly the same loyalty they give you.

[dxmnkd316]

Maybe it's the 30+ years I have of having a good work ethic, but I feel that at some point people need to step up to the plate and do the job expected of them...

I get 160 hours (4 weeks) of time off work currently (200 hours/5 weeks on Jan 1, 2023). The problem comes in when people use it for stupid **** in the beginning of the year and then have "legit" need come Sept - Dec....

Currently 80% of our building has used at least some of their vacation time already in 2022 with a handful of people already through their 80 hours/2 weeks of PTO (can be used anytime with no advanced scheduling). I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy with people that **** around like that... They deserve to "find out" later in the year.

You're right, I carefully plan my illnesses every year in January.

Many employers don't allow us to carry any vacation over. And I can tell you dozens of examples where people have saved their time for vacation and been told to come in to work and no compensated with additional time off. By combining vacation and sick time, the employer is directly implying being sick is equivalent to being on vacation. For whom? Made worse by the fact that Vacation+Sick=PTO means it incentivizes people to come into work sick thereby burning more PTO for their employees.

**** that. You owe these people nothing.


Edit: I was lucky. I learned very early in life that employers don't give a single **** about you. My parents worked for a very large company in the cities here. My mom was on the top 50 in the company for service time. They had a combined 80 years of service time between them. The company laid both of them off within three months of each other.

Loyalty is a leash they use to keep you in place. They are bound by no such concept.

[Kepler]

Serfs and even slaves have bent themselves into pretzels to please their masters, too.

False consciousness is a helluva drug.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Lack of a work ethic is related to managing time off? I missed weeks of work with Covid at the end of the year. Shame on me for taking some actual vacation that year but not holding onto 3 extra weeks in case I got sick.

tbis country has really brainwashed people into thinking out system is good for people

[St. Clown]

My employer sold off its Institutional Retirement area (think 401(k), etc.) nearly a couple years ago, and the actual movement of accounts and assets will take place over the 2/19 weekend. After so much time passing, you’d think they would be ready for any and all needs, but here I am, on PTO to take care of my daughter while she’s out of daycare until that weekend. Meanwhile, I’m the guy on my team who actually knows how to perform the SQL to do needed last-minute things that management has not yet considered. Good planning.

[SJHovey]

By combining vacation and sick time, the employer is directly implying being sick is equivalent to being on vacation.

BS. It's an agreement. I agree that you don't have to lie to me about being sick, and you agree that I don't have to lie to you about believing your lie.

[Kepler]

BS. It's an agreement. I agree that you don't have to lie to me about being sick, and you agree that I don't have to lie to you about believing your lie.

We know we are capital equipment. If it pains you that we don't love you for it, cash out. We can't, we have to work. For now.

UBI is gonna make a lot of tin badge tyrants very unhappy.

[dxmnkd316]

BS. It's an agreement. I agree that you don't have to lie to me about being sick, and you agree that I don't have to lie to you about believing your lie.

Lying about sick time is the owner class equivalent to claims of voter fraud.