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  • Kepler
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    Serfs and even slaves have bent themselves into pretzels to please their masters, too.

    False consciousness is a helluva drug.

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  • dxmnkd316
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    Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
    Maybe it's the 30+ years I have of having a good work ethic, but I feel that at some point people need to step up to the plate and do the job expected of them...

    I get 160 hours (4 weeks) of time off work currently (200 hours/5 weeks on Jan 1, 2023). The problem comes in when people use it for stupid **** in the beginning of the year and then have "legit" need come Sept - Dec....

    Currently 80% of our building has used at least some of their vacation time already in 2022 with a handful of people already through their 80 hours/2 weeks of PTO (can be used anytime with no advanced scheduling). I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy with people that fuck around like that... They deserve to "find out" later in the year.
    You're right, I carefully plan my illnesses every year in January.

    Many employers don't allow us to carry any vacation over. And I can tell you dozens of examples where people have saved their time for vacation and been told to come in to work and no compensated with additional time off. By combining vacation and sick time, the employer is directly implying being sick is equivalent to being on vacation. For whom? Made worse by the fact that Vacation+Sick=PTO means it incentivizes people to come into work sick thereby burning more PTO for their employees.

    Fuck that. You owe these people nothing.


    Edit: I was lucky. I learned very early in life that employers don't give a single fuck about you. My parents worked for a very large company in the cities here. My mom was on the top 50 in the company for service time. They had a combined 80 years of service time between them. The company laid both of them off within three months of each other.

    Loyalty is a leash they use to keep you in place. They are bound by no such concept.
    Last edited by dxmnkd316; 02-10-2022, 11:12 AM.

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  • Kepler
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    Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
    Maybe it's the 30+ years I have of having a good work ethic, but I feel that at some point people need to step up to the plate and do the job expected of them...
    You owe your employer exactly the same loyalty they give you.

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  • RaceBoarder
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    Maybe it's the 30+ years I have of having a good work ethic, but I feel that at some point people need to step up to the plate and do the job expected of them...

    I get 160 hours (4 weeks) of time off work currently (200 hours/5 weeks on Jan 1, 2023). The problem comes in when people use it for stupid **** in the beginning of the year and then have "legit" need come Sept - Dec....

    Currently 80% of our building has used at least some of their vacation time already in 2022 with a handful of people already through their 80 hours/2 weeks of PTO (can be used anytime with no advanced scheduling). I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy with people that fuck around like that... They deserve to "find out" later in the year.

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  • dxmnkd316
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    Yeah, PTO for sick time is fucking stupid

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  • dxmnkd316
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    Originally posted by Kepler View Post

    No, that system is terrible too.

    What we need is this: you get x hours of PTO a year for every purpose EXCEPT those which are unavoidable.

    If you're sick or pregnant or on jury duty you get paid. Period. You didn't do it on purpose. If your employer wants to get reimbursed he can use his fucking nuclear weapons lobby to bribe the gubbmint to pay him back out of the public purse.

    The idea that you burn your PTO on an illness is disgusting.
    that's what we have. Vacation and 4-5 floating holidays are yours to use. Jury duty, sick time, etc is all separate and somewhat unlimited.

    pregnancy is a little weird but works out ok for women. Maybe below average now.

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  • Kepler
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    Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

    Joseph?
    "I don't like to talk about that." -- Joseph

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  • SJHovey
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    Originally posted by Kepler View Post

    If you're ........... pregnant ...................... you get paid. Period. You didn't do it on purpose.
    Joseph?

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  • Kepler
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    Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

    Man, that's a terrible system. I could see where it would definitely "encourage" workers to turn a one day illness into three days, with medical care, just to try to get under the FMLA.

    Of all the systems I've been exposed to as an employee or an employer, I still like our current one the best. Maybe 20 years ago we went away from vacation time, sick leave and all the rest. Everything is just PTO. I don't care why you are gone, whether you're sick, in Mexico on vacation, or home banging the babysitter. Use your PTO until you're out, and at that point you need to show up for work.
    No, that system is terrible too.

    What we need is this: you get x hours of PTO a year for every purpose EXCEPT those which are unavoidable.

    If you're sick or pregnant or on jury duty you get paid. Period. You didn't do it on purpose. If your employer wants to get reimbursed he can use his fucking nuclear weapons lobby to bribe the gubbmint to pay him back out of the public purse.

    The idea that you burn your PTO on an illness is disgusting.

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  • Jimjamesak
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    Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

    Man, that's a terrible system. I could see where it would definitely "encourage" workers to turn a one day illness into three days, with medical care, just to try to get under the FMLA.

    Of all the systems I've been exposed to as an employee or an employer, I still like our current one the best. Maybe 20 years ago we went away from vacation time, sick leave and all the rest. Everything is just PTO. I don't care why you are gone, whether you're sick, in Mexico on vacation, or home banging the babysitter. Use your PTO until you're out, and at that point you need to show up for work.
    Here’s a sad fact: Our system is considered “generous”, as in there are far worse systems out there. Welcome to working class America.

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  • SJHovey
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    Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
    So we’re allowed three “occurrences” over a nine month period before they start discipline. And the only exceptions are either FMLA or something that would qualify as disability, either short-term or long-term. It doesn’t if you went to the ER and had a note from a doctor, got delayed in travel via a storm, or really anything, don’t fucking miss work.

    What’s hilarious is they don’t want people “gaming the system” so all it leads to is people gaming FMLA.
    Man, that's a terrible system. I could see where it would definitely "encourage" workers to turn a one day illness into three days, with medical care, just to try to get under the FMLA.

    Of all the systems I've been exposed to as an employee or an employer, I still like our current one the best. Maybe 20 years ago we went away from vacation time, sick leave and all the rest. Everything is just PTO. I don't care why you are gone, whether you're sick, in Mexico on vacation, or home banging the babysitter. Use your PTO until you're out, and at that point you need to show up for work.

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  • Jimjamesak
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    Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

    Well that's what I was wondering. The whole thing seems confusing. I have to assume people get sick all the time at that work place, whether it's from Covid or the flu or some other condition. Does everyone get a written warning for getting sick, because that seems pretty harsh.

    I mean I guess I could see it if it was discipline for some technicality or something like you didn't call in to the right person or sufficiently far in advance of your shift or something as required by the contract, but just writing someone up for missing work due to illness seems sort of BS.
    So we’re allowed three “occurrences” over a nine month period before they start discipline. And the only exceptions are either FMLA or something that would qualify as disability, either short-term or long-term. It doesn’t if you went to the ER and had a note from a doctor, got delayed in travel via a storm, or really anything, don’t fucking miss work.

    What’s hilarious is they don’t want people “gaming the system” so all it leads to is people gaming FMLA.

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  • Jimjamesak
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    Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    Not sure how jj's union operates or what agreements they have around comp with his employer, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's a tactic his company is using to try and deny people promotions or annual raises. "You got written up for an unexcused absence, so no (or reduced) raise for you this year per the terms of your CBA."
    Not that, our raises are guaranteed per the contract.

    It’s really just an attempt at “being fair”, because they’re punishing everyone no matter the circumstances. Most likely some idiot MBA manager at the regional level decided this was the best idea.

    It could also be a response to the newly elected hardline union leadership.

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  • SJHovey
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    Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    Not sure how jj's union operates or what agreements they have around comp with his employer, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's a tactic his company is using to try and deny people promotions or annual raises. "You got written up for an unexcused absence, so no (or reduced) raise for you this year per the terms of your CBA."
    Well that's what I was wondering. The whole thing seems confusing. I have to assume people get sick all the time at that work place, whether it's from Covid or the flu or some other condition. Does everyone get a written warning for getting sick, because that seems pretty harsh.

    I mean I guess I could see it if it was discipline for some technicality or something like you didn't call in to the right person or sufficiently far in advance of your shift or something as required by the contract, but just writing someone up for missing work due to illness seems sort of BS.

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  • FadeToBlack&Gold
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    Not sure how jj's union operates or what agreements they have around comp with his employer, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's a tactic his company is using to try and deny people promotions or annual raises. "You got written up for an unexcused absence, so no (or reduced) raise for you this year per the terms of your CBA."

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