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Originally posted by SJHovey View PostIt might just be that we hit a particular nerve with Kep, with the inclusion of Gatsby on the list. Wasn't he a Long Islander at some point? Probably spent many a night staring out over the water imagining he was one of those boats borne back ceaselessly into the past. Or, maybe just pining over some Daisy in his school.Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin
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Originally posted by JF_Gophers View PostIm late to the party but why would Gatsby be considered bannable? Ive read it only because its like 5 pages long. Don't recall anything that bad.
But I wouldn't put it past that brain trust to ban a book they had never read.Cornell University
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Originally posted by burd View PostMovies are an easier, more passive experience. But comparing the value of movies to good nonfiction (distinguishing between a Michael Connelly novel, as fun as many of them are, and Native Son, for instance) is a little bit like comparing the understanding of a place which you get from a bus tour to that which you would get from living there. There are high quality bus tours, and there are good reasons why a person would choose to go that route under certain circumstances, but they are a brief, passive experience at best.
I understand you are just saying you get more enjoyment out of movies than you do from nonfiction books, not that one has intrinsically more value than the other, Rube. But I throw those thoughts out there because we are talking about the value to our children of the books being banned.
Originally posted by The Rube View PostI prefer non-fiction. I've read books on other religions, as a past-time. My passion is organized crime, pop-culture (the game console wars were especially intriguing to me), some history, but overall? If it's fiction? Nah. I'll save that for the movies. That's my preferred form for the fiction genre.
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Originally posted by Handyman View PostYou might want to re-read his post...or study up on the difference between fiction and nonfiction
He isnt saying he gets more enjoyment out of movies than he does nonfiction...he is saying he reads nonfiction and prefers his fiction be in the form of films. And since when are Michael Connelly novels nonfiction? Harry Bosch isnt real
Your North Dakota/Wisconsin is showing again
Yeah, I know what Rube was saying, and I think you could see that I simply made a mistake by using the term nonfiction to describe Connelly's work. His books are obviously fiction. A typo. My point, mistakenly worded as it was, stands.
I completely get why anyone might say they generally prefer movies to fiction books as a means of enjoyment. It's all a matter of personal preference. But that's something different from the value of fiction books to school age children, which is what the ban is all about.Last edited by burd; 04-24-2020, 12:30 PM.
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Well I assumed it was a basic screw up...but I bet lots of people from NoDak think Jason Bourne is real so I figured I would run with it"It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
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I didn't like the books I was forced to read, so I didn't read a few others. Guess I'll just go vote for Trump now...
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Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View PostWait Jason isn’t real??? Then who did I sleep with that one time in Riga??? He had me convinced!!
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I don't think I've read any of them either. Most are on my list of things to eventually read. Acutally, I might have read Caged Bird but can't remember.
I did read L'Etranger in high school, but I only remember two things:
I read it only with the goal of completing assignments for it because it was getting in the way of AP Calc prep
I didn't like it much
The problem is, most of these books are too abstract or long for an idiot in 10th grade to understand. I hated assigned reading in high school. Hated it. Hated hated hated hated hated it. I hated people telling me things were great and I should like them. The only teacher who got this was my 11th grade Poetry teacher. At least he understood that he could capture a lot of us number nerds by setting up the reading as a problem to solve rather than spend a month obsessing over 200 pages when 10 would have sufficed*. John Donne was great. But anyways, I can't think of more than a few novels in high school I was compelled to read that I actually enjoyed. Maybe Lord of the Flies, maybe Catcher, and I'm sure there are another one or two I liked but can't remember reading.
It wasn't until college that I started to have better assignments. The intro to political philosophy class had us reading a dozen and a half books, all of which were fantastic. I excelled in that class.
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Originally posted by MinnesotaNorthStar View PostI didn't like the books I was forced to read, so I didn't read a few others. Guess I'll just go vote for Trump now...
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Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View PostI don't think I've read any of them either. Most are on my list of things to eventually read. Acutally, I might have read Caged Bird but can't remember.
I did read L'Etranger in high school, but I only remember two things:
I read it only with the goal of completing assignments for it because it was getting in the way of AP Calc prep
I didn't like it much
The problem is, most of these books are too abstract or long for an idiot in 10th grade to understand. I hated assigned reading in high school. Hated it. Hated hated hated hated hated it. I hated people telling me things were great and I should like them. The only teacher who got this was my 11th grade Poetry teacher. At least he understood that he could capture a lot of us number nerds by setting up the reading as a problem to solve rather than spend a month obsessing over 200 pages when 10 would have sufficed*. John Donne was great. But anyways, I can't think of more than a few novels in high school I was compelled to read that I actually enjoyed. Maybe Lord of the Flies, maybe Catcher, and I'm sure there are another one or two I liked but can't remember reading.
It wasn't until college that I started to have better assignments. The intro to political philosophy class had us reading a dozen and a half books, all of which were fantastic. I excelled in that class.
I also remember struggling through Camus (The Plague) in French. I'm reading it now in English and it's pure joy.
It's infuriating that people are trained to think of education as credentialing. That's not education, it's animal training: something done to you do to get a job.
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But not everyone is going to get something from every book. I was forced to read The Old Man and the Sea and literally wanted to murder everyone in my school. Others could spend hours talking about the intricacies and allegories...that isnt how my mind works. I have read 1000 page books on WWI on the beach while on vacation but I doubt I could read Gatsby again even in the best of conditions.
Personally, I would rather have a discussion with someone about the book than read it it myself. Maybe after I will try because it will help me process it better."It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
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