The States: Where We Wish Texas Would Secede Already

[unofan]

Don't you know? According to Abbott, Texas has more important things to worry about, like trans kids and women daring to have bodily autonomy.

So long as it continues to win them elections, they don't care and they aren't stupid to run on those issues. They'd sell out their mothers if it meant keeping power.

Part of the Dems' problems is that they forget no one has gone broke underestimating the American public.

[Handyman]

So long as it continues to win them elections, they don't care and they aren't stupid to run on those issues. They'd sell out their mothers if it meant keeping power.

Part of the Dems' problems is that they forget no one has gone broke underestimating the American public.

Yeah...Dems believe everyone is as smart as they pretend to be. They talk above their audience most of whom find the average sitcom plot complex.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

The problem is that telling stupid people that they're acting stupidly doesn't typically lead them to the desired outcome of either:

1. They have an epiphany, properly educate themselves, and change their opinion on the subject
2. They get out of the way and let the smart, educated people run the show

Telling a stupid person they're stupid usually leads to them doubling down on their derp.

[MissThundercat]

The problem is that telling stupid people that they're acting stupidly doesn't typically lead them to the desired outcome of either:

1. They have an epiphany, properly educate themselves, and change their opinion on the subject
2. They get out of the way and let the smart, educated people run the show

Telling a stupid person they're stupid usually leads to them doubling down on their derp.

Yeah. When Hillary called them deplorable, they put it on t-shirts and bumper stickers.

[rufus]

So, don't tell the stupid people they're stupid? Just keep coddling them?

Like we've been coddling the "heartland, good ol' 'Murican patriots" for decades now?

Where's that got us?

[dxmnkd316]

Oh boy, this is ugly

[Handyman]

So, don't tell the stupid people they're stupid? Just keep coddling them?

Like we've been coddling the "heartland, good ol' 'Murican patriots" for decades now?

Where's that got us?

Where has talking above everyone got us?

[MissThundercat]

Here in MI, our SOS made it possible to use a non-binary marker on forms of ID.

And only the typical morons are up in arms. The same ones who squealed loudly when she made it easier to change gender markers the first time in 2019.

[ScoobyDoo]

So, don't tell the stupid people they're stupid? Just keep coddling them?

Like we've been coddling the "heartland, good ol' 'Murican patriots" for decades now?

Where's that got us?

The fact is we're never getting anywhere. The biggest problem right now is on Capitol Hill the progressives are acting like they won in 2020 and they didn't. They got their *** kicked. By a 350 year old career politician. And the longer they fight Joe Manchin the more they're going to lose.

[rufus]

The fact is we're never getting anywhere. The biggest problem right now is on Capitol Hill the progressives are acting like they won in 2020 and they didn't. They got their *** kicked. By a 350 year old career politician. And the longer they fight Joe Manchin the more they're going to lose.

This is where you are so wrong. Every Democrat is on board with Joe Biden's agenda. Except two.

And you're saying we need to placate those two. Manchin isn't fighting the progressives. He's fighting the entire party, including his president.

[ScoobyDoo]

This is where you are so wrong. Every Democrat is on board with Joe Biden's agenda. Except two.

And you're saying we need to placate those two. Manchin isn't fighting the progressives. He's fighting the entire party, including his president.

And he will win. Because he has the entire other party on his side and the backing of 90% of his state.

[Handyman]

This is where you are so wrong. Every Democrat is on board with Joe Biden's agenda. Except two.

And you're saying we need to placate those two. Manchin isn't fighting the progressives. He's fighting the entire party, including his president.

What is the alternative? They can't force them to do the right thing. By the time Sinema is up for re-election it is all academic anyways. I am all for forcing their hands but neither has any qualms about making themselves look like fools and DINOs in real time.

And I guarantee if those two weren't blocking it someone else like Tester likely would.

The Progressives completely miscalculated the Infrastructure fight and it likely cost The Dems any shot to do anything meaningful and all but killed Biden's presidency. They should have voted on the Bipartisan deal and given Manchin his headline. Then Reconciliation happens and the Dems have something to tout. Now it is too late, they likely pass what needs to be passed but the die has already been cast. They made themselves look like ineffectual leaders. They now have a year to get everything done they can cause a year from now when the House flips they lose it all.

Which also means you likely can kiss the effectiveness of the 1/6 Commission goodbye. The Trump contingent will stall it out a year easily and never testify. Garland just got saved from having to maybe actually make a decision.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

What is the alternative? They can't force them to do the right thing. By the time Sinema is up for re-election it is all academic anyways. I am all for forcing their hands but neither has any qualms about making themselves look like fools and DINOs in real time.

And I guarantee if those two weren't blocking it someone else like Tester likely would.

The Progressives completely miscalculated the Infrastructure fight and it likely cost The Dems any shot to do anything meaningful and all but killed Biden's presidency. They should have voted on the Bipartisan deal and given Manchin his headline. Then Reconciliation happens and the Dems have something to tout. Now it is too late, they likely pass what needs to be passed but the die has already been cast. They made themselves look like ineffectual leaders. They now have a year to get everything done they can cause a year from now when the House flips they lose it all.

Which also means you likely can kiss the effectiveness of the 1/6 Commission goodbye. The Trump contingent will stall it out a year easily and never testify. Garland just got saved from having to maybe actually make a decision.

Commission will be replaced by fauci trials, if he’s not killed before

[ScoobyDoo]

Commission will be replaced by fauci trials, if he’s not killed before

^^^^^^^

[Slap Shot]

The problem for Democrats is twofold: unlike Rethuglicans many of them think for themselves which means it will be rare when they are lock stop in agreement. The other is the Bernie Bros get too much attention to the point every conservative is convinced we are the next China if the Democrats had their way.

How you solve for that is above my pay grade, but those are the hurdles that must be overcome unless the younger generation is truly skewing more and more left. The country however may cease to exist by then.