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  • FadeToBlack&Gold
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    The IOC guidelines won't matter as long as they aren't state or federal law, and as long as Goopers can pack the courts with far-right judges.

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  • RaceBoarder
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    Re: Nice Planet 18: Welcome To Our Planet. Sorry It's So Messed Up.

    Originally posted by MissThundercat View Post
    Then I misread it. But typically trans girls suck at sports and need help opening jars. These two may be good, but are not indicative of ALL TRANS GIRLS.
    That's the rub though. When the trans athlete is running sub 5:00 in the 1600m you are gonna have to answer questions. Would that athlete still be sub 5:00 with a more feminine bone/muscle structure? Again, there is solid, biological evidence in play here (and although it's a main driver, Testosterone is not the only factor). Conversely, if a trans track athlete is running a 7:00 1600m, no one says anything. They can compete in the JV meets all they want. Same thing with a 3rd string shortstop on the softball team or the 5th line defenseman on the hockey team. So by your description, a majority of trans girls will be left alone to enjoy their sports. It's when they compete at elite levels the questions get asked, and as I said earlier, there aren't exactly easy answers there.

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  • MissThundercat
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    Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
    From the article:

    "The dispute, already the subject of a federal lawsuit, centers on two transgender sprinters, Terry Miller and Andraya Yearwood, who have frequently outperformed their competitors, winning a combined 15 girls state indoor or outdoor championship races since 2017, according to the lawsuit"

    Winning 15 state level races over 3 years between two individuals is not exactly indicative of getting beat "time and time again". The girl who is cited in the article for beating the two in question won twice in that span.
    Then I misread it. But typically trans girls suck at sports and need help opening jars. These two may be good, but are not indicative of ALL TRANS GIRLS.

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  • RaceBoarder
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    Originally posted by MissThundercat View Post
    The key thing is the cis girls bringing the lawsuit have beaten the trans girls they're suing time and time again. These girls do not have an unfair advantage.
    From the article:

    "The dispute, already the subject of a federal lawsuit, centers on two transgender sprinters, Terry Miller and Andraya Yearwood, who have frequently outperformed their competitors, winning a combined 15 girls state indoor or outdoor championship races since 2017, according to the lawsuit"

    Winning 15 state level races over 3 years between two individuals is not exactly indicative of getting beat "time and time again". The girl who is cited in the article for beating the two in question won twice in that span.

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  • MissThundercat
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    Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
    I know there are standards that the IOC and other sanctioning bodies set and those are a huge step in the right direction towards the issue. When it comes down to the high school level, I have not once seen anyone set a guideline however. In the above case, does Connecticut stand by the IOC guidelines?
    The key thing is the cis girls bringing the lawsuit have beaten the trans girls they're suing time and time again. These girls do not have an unfair advantage.

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  • RaceBoarder
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    Originally posted by The Rube View Post
    Given the requirements that MT has given us on testosterone and estrogen, as to percentages...it's a different game nowadays, per my understanding. So it's not like someone like Jesse Owens can just say "I'm identifying as a woman!" and switch over, you know?
    I know there are standards that the IOC and other sanctioning bodies set and those are a huge step in the right direction towards the issue. When it comes down to the high school level, I have not once seen anyone set a guideline however. In the above case, does Connecticut stand by the IOC guidelines?

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  • MissThundercat
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    Originally posted by The Rube View Post
    Given the requirements that MT has given us on testosterone and estrogen, as to percentages...it's a different game nowadays, per my understanding. So it's not like someone like Jesse Owens can just say "I'm identifying as a woman!" and switch over, you know?
    Yeah. It's not how conservatives or the media sells it at all.

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  • MissThundercat
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    Re: Nice Planet 18: Welcome To Our Planet. Sorry It's So Messed Up.

    Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
    This is going to be a very hard sell in the world of high school sports. As a whole, simply winning the genetic lottery (being naturally a bigger/faster/stronger teen) can put you in the top 20% of competing athletes before a program/coach does one thing to advance you. And of all High School sports, Track & Field is the runaway leader for simply winning based on your numbers coming up.

    How do you make the case that 15-18 year old men and women are on equal physiological footing at that point in their lives? I don't believe mental/social wellness is a factor in this particular decision (there absolutely should be ZERO exclusion of trans people anywhere else on a HS campus). Biology is the driving factor here, nothing else.
    Odds are that the trans girls in question here were on puberty blockers before competing. Puberty blockers prevent that sweet, sweet testosterone from kicking in. You can't even be prescribed hormones until 16 years old. Also, the trans girls in question have lost and have lost badly to the cis girls bringing the lawsuit. This is explained in the article.

    Also, HI! The other night, I simply gave up trying to open a pickle jar and handed it off to my stepfather in frustration. Yet USA Triathlon says unless I jump through several hoops and sacrifice a few farm animals, I can't compete with the girls, even though my documentation has a big fat F on it.

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  • The Rube
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    Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
    This is going to be a very hard sell in the world of high school sports. As a whole, simply winning the genetic lottery (being naturally a bigger/faster/stronger teen) can put you in the top 20% of competing athletes before a program/coach does one thing to advance you. And of all High School sports, Track & Field is the runaway leader for simply winning based on your numbers coming up.

    How do you make the case that 15-18 year old men and women are on equal physiological footing at that point in their lives? I don't believe mental/social wellness is a factor in this particular decision (there absolutely should be ZERO exclusion of trans people anywhere else on a HS campus). Biology is the driving factor here, nothing else.
    Given the requirements that MT has given us on testosterone and estrogen, as to percentages...it's a different game nowadays, per my understanding. So it's not like someone like Jesse Owens can just say "I'm identifying as a woman!" and switch over, you know?

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  • RaceBoarder
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    Re: Nice Planet 18: Welcome To Our Planet. Sorry It's So Messed Up.

    This is going to be a very hard sell in the world of high school sports. As a whole, simply winning the genetic lottery (being naturally a bigger/faster/stronger teen) can put you in the top 20% of competing athletes before a program/coach does one thing to advance you. And of all High School sports, Track & Field is the runaway leader for simply winning based on your numbers coming up.

    How do you make the case that 15-18 year old men and women are on equal physiological footing at that point in their lives? I don't believe mental/social wellness is a factor in this particular decision (there absolutely should be ZERO exclusion of trans people anywhere else on a HS campus). Biology is the driving factor here, nothing else.

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  • MissThundercat
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    Not exactly sure how allowing trans girls to compete in sports is a civil rights violation, so F U Betsy.

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  • aparch
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    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    Kid dodged a bullet. Happy ending.
    I didn't quite think of that at first, but you're absolutely right. It is still upsetting to read, but thankfully the kid will be in a home that can better fit him.

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  • state of hockey
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    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    Kid dodged a bullet. Happy ending.
    This. The people are clearly terrible, but I'm glad the kid got outta there.

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  • MissThundercat
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    Originally posted by aparch View Post
    Oh for fu**s sake. I get upset when I hear people have to re-home puppies because they're more work than expected. I never thought I would ever read an article about a child being re-homed because of the same.
    Also, I work with autistic kids. This breaks my heart.

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  • Kepler
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    Originally posted by aparch View Post
    Oh for fu**s sake. I get upset when I hear people have to re-home puppies because they're more work than expected. I never thought I would ever read an article about a child being re-homed because of the same.
    Kid dodged a bullet. Happy ending.

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