Open Wheel Racing 2021, anyone there to watch?

[Kepler]

Helpful visualization.

[MichVandal]

Helpful visualization.

What's kind of sad about that chart are all of the teams that won championships that didn't continue. How in the world did bottom team Minardi survive that long w/o help when winners like Brahbam or even the original Renault team die off? Williams survived that era. I bet the team that most people miss the most is Lotus, who had such a dominant time up until the 90s.

[Kepler]

We should bring back the best names of each of the existing teams, anyway:

• Ferrari
• McLaren
• Tyrrell
• Williams
• Renault
• Aston Martin
• Alfa Romeo
• Jaguar

And restore the lost classics:

• Lotus
• Sauber

[MichVandal]

We should bring back the best names of each of the existing teams, anyway:

• Ferrari
• McLaren
• Tyrrell
• Williams
• Renault
• Aston Martin
• Alfa Romeo
• Jaguar

And restore the lost classics:

• Lotus
• Sauber

I'm actually not in favor of that at all. The current Alfa Romeo has nothing to actually do with the company other than advertising. It's meaningless to me. The last time the actual company Alfa Romeo had a team was in the 80s. And unless the company that owns Jaguar comes back, leave them out- that was a total disaster brought on by Jac Nassar.

The recent, multiple, iterations of Lotus were pointless- they brought nothing of what Chapman started with in the 60s- which was far, far more like Red Bull WRT creativity than just a name. Lotus is gone more because nobody knew how to run a car company and/or and F1 team in the 90s. Having worked with them on a project in the late 90s, they were nothing of what they were supposed to be.

Names are just names. Teams are what matters.

[Russell Jaslow]

The Rolex 23:58.

[solovsfett]

F1 with the most bat**** insane statement I’ve ever heard from a sanctioning body in their letter about declining Andretti’s team.

**** them.

narrowminded exclusionary arrogant *****s. Andretti would be midfield far ahead of HAAS just to start.

This will not sit well with American racing fans. Andretti is a marquee name. ****ting on him, and charging people exorbitant prices for tickets and merch for races and teams where only 3-4 cars enter the weekend with a shot to win while telling them you only care about millionaires is the best way to get your series to fail.

so from here on, unless F1 management changes, I’m out. I’ll spend my $ on INDYCAR which while terribly managed at least is affordable and has the closest racing of all the major series.

[MichVandal]

Sorry, solo- there's no way in he!! that Andretti would be more competitive than Haas. They can't even be really competitive in the equivalent of an F2 series, so when they have to make everything. No chance. They've had a decade to figure out the current Indycar, and haven't.

On top of that, they planned on making everything, unlike Haas.

I get the anger toward F1, but lets at least stick with what they have been able to not do in the last decade as a reasonable prediction of the future.

[solovsfett]

Sorry, solo- there's no way in he!! that Andretti would be more competitive than Haas. They can't even be really competitive in the equivalent of an F2 series, so when they have to make everything. No chance. They've had a decade to figure out the current Indycar, and haven't.

On top of that, they planned on making everything, unlike Haas.

I get the anger toward F1, but lets at least stick with what they have been able to not do in the last decade as a reasonable prediction of the future.

I think Andretti’s malaise in INDYCAR has a lot to do with the resources he’s spread to formula
e, sports cars, and the F1 effort. He needs to cut the fat. Get out of formula e and sports cars if necessary. Also keep INDYCAR team to 3 cars max.

cadillac from what I’ve seen isn’t about to spend $ to be in 21st-22nd place.

[MichVandal]

I think Andretti’s malaise in INDYCAR has a lot to do with the resources he’s spread to formula
e, sports cars, and the F1 effort. He needs to cut the fat. Get out of formula e and sports cars if necessary. Also keep INDYCAR team to 3 cars max.

cadillac from what I’ve seen isn’t about to spend $ to be in 21st-22nd place.

Exactly. There's no logical path to expand even more into an F1 team. Let alone be anything but last place all of the time.

And don't be so positive about GM. Just look back at what Ford ended up doing in F1. They are very capable of wasting money on a bad program.

[MichVandal]

I'm going to have to dig up some Ferrari stuff being a fan- https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/h...2025/10571247/

[Spartanforlife4]

I cannot imagine Hamilton wanting to put up with that dysfunction. But they also seem to let the drivers have more say in the strategy so maybe he thinks he can make his own race.

[MichVandal]

I cannot imagine Hamilton wanting to put up with that dysfunction. But they also seem to let the drivers have more say in the strategy so maybe he thinks he can make his own race.

But it's THE iconic team of F1. And it's not as if the disfunction can't be dealt with- Schumacher did.

[Jimjamesak]

But it's THE iconic team of F1. And it's not as if the disfunction can't be dealt with- Schumacher did.

Obligatory.

[Kepler]

F1 with the most bat**** insane statement I’ve ever heard from a sanctioning body in their letter about declining Andretti’s team.

I don't understand how this is a net financial gain for F1, and that means I don't understand how it happened because it is an article of faith that C.R.E.A.M.

Is it that rarest of cases, where bullheaded xenophobia triumphed over Capitalism? If so... actually, I'm ok with that. It's stupid, but at least it's human.

[Kepler]

But they also seem to let the drivers have more say in the strategy

LOL, is that a sick joke?