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  • Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
    Cheers still holds up as does MASH up until Henry, Radar, Frank and Trapper were all gone.
    By the standards of the day they are great. But virtually every show made before 2000 was made for a national audience. Once you feed the left side of the tail it's over. It cannot be helped. You cannot "lose your demo." You literally cannot be too direct or too subtle, or too many of the volk will be offended or confused.

    Python and SCTV avoided it. Get Smart and Bullwinkle outright kicked it out in the snow. Fernwood Tonight, albeit awful, avoided it. SNL avoided it, maybe because as a late slotted show it was already shedding the Kettles.

    And Twilight Zone just didn't give a fuck. Serling put his stuff out there and if you missed it fuck you, so it was great.

    But all the great celebrated ground breaking shows of the 50s and 60s and 70s and 80s were literally made as pablum for toddlers, because the price of missing was too high.


    Last edited by Kepler; 05-31-2022, 03:36 PM.
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    • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

      By the standards of the day they are great. But virtually every show made before 2000 was made for a national audience.
      While your theory may be true I'm still talking about the eye test. I very much appreciate your analysis on many things but one of your weaknesses is to over-compartmentalize. One size does not always fit all and to be fair network TV in 2022 is garbage compared with 1976 or even 1986.

      Where 2022 has the advantage is there is far more to offer. Dozens of networks vs. 3 (until FOX) means if you look you're going to find some gems, but the % of pure garbage is much higher.

      And back to the original point - with respect to network TV vs. network TV there isn't a sitcom on ABC, CBS or NBC that compares with Cheers or MASH.

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      • Kepler is the guy who insists he never eats at McDonald's and when he gets caught in line there, says he's just trying out the lifestyle of the vulgar commoners for a day so that he can better empathize with them. ;-)

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        • Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
          And back to the original point - with respect to network TV vs. network TV there isn't a sitcom on ABC, CBS or NBC that compares with Cheers or MASH.
          If your point of comparison was NETWORK television then yes. Other than the Good Place and Community I cannot think of a good network TV show of the last 20 years (though there may be some).

          My point of comparison was television -- the idiot box. It would never occur to me to think about who offers what any more than "movies" would mean a particular stable of studios. I'd argue you are actually compartmentalizing here by implicitly framing as network which I do not think was in OP and which IMO is artificial and unimportant.

          Unless your POV is coming from a population for whom television is still only network television, like beer is still only Miller or Bud. I will absolutely admit that never entered my mind.
          Last edited by Kepler; 05-31-2022, 05:01 PM.
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          • Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
            Kepler is the guy who insists he never eats at McDonald's and when he gets caught in line there, says he's just trying out the lifestyle of the vulgar commoners for a day so that he can better empathize with them. ;-)
            I love the little stories you guys have about me and how I "really" think. Makes me feel like a member of your families. I aint calling anyone me-maw tho, I have my limits when slumming.
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            • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

              I love the little stories you guys have about me and how I "really" think. Makes me feel like a member of your families. I aint calling anyone me-maw tho, I have my limits when slumming.
              Just calling it as I see, based on a preponderance of the evidence.

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              • Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post

                Just calling it as I see, based on a preponderance of the evidence.
                What we "see" says more about the we than the what.
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                • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

                  What we "see" says more about the we than the what.
                  Jesus Christ. Go run around the block till you collapse from exhaustion or something. You're taking the Ivy League elite / Andy Bernard trope to 11 today.

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                  • Originally posted by unofan View Post

                    Night court was amazing. For better or worse in hindsight, The Cosby Show was the #1 show in America for years for a reason. I was too young to fully enjoy Newhart, but my parents loved it. Golden Girls, Married with Children, Family Ties were all good. And yeah, Cheers is an all time classic.

                    On the tv action side, you had MacGyver, the A team, Miami Vice, and the latter half of CHiPs.
                    Married with children kind of spanned both, and any of the shows that had a fairly equal amount of time in both I left off the list. Loved married with children.
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                    • Originally posted by unofan View Post

                      Jesus Christ. Go run around the block till you collapse from exhaustion or something. You're taking the Ivy League elite / Andy Bernard trope to 11 today.
                      I wish I could outrun my objectivity, too.
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                      • mookie watched Basic Instinct again today and noticed that was 1992

                        90s wins. Game over
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                        • Fun(1994). Read something yesterday about Alicia Witt, Goog'd her and found she was in this movie based on a true story of these 2 teenage girls that murdered an 85 year old woman. If those 2 girls were anything like the characters portrayed by Witt and Renee Humphrey it was w t f, omg and holy shyt rolled into one.
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                          • I hope top gun continues to rake in the money as a huge fuck you to china

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                            • Jurassic Park: Why Do People Pay to Watch This Crap is coming so not likely.

                              It amazes me how the original to this day looks better than the crappy green screen mess that is the Chris Pratt debacle. And don't get me started on how terrible Bryce Dallas Howard is...I hope the Dinosaurs win.
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                              • Jurassic Park Dominion. A+, second only to the original Jurassic Park imo!
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                                "but you're not as confused as him are you. it's not your job to be as confused as Nigel". Tap pt 1.

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