USCHO Music Thread: We All Have A Crush On Shirley Manson

[St. Clown]

Re: USCHO Music Thread: We All Have A Crush On Shirley Manson

Somebody should mash up the music from "Hungry Like the Wolf" with the lyrics of "Head Like a Hole."

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: USCHO Music Thread: We All Have A Crush On Shirley Manson

Somebody should mash up the music from "Hungry Like the Wolf" with the lyrics of "Head Like a Hole."

One of my favorites is still the mashup of the music from "Smells Like Teen Spirit" with the lyrics from "Never Gonna Give You Up".

[Kepler]

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One of my favorites is still the mashup of the music from "Smells Like Teen Spirit" with the lyrics from "Never Gonna Give You Up".

The different key actually makes it better.

[Slap Shot]

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The people who created rap say they drew inspiration from disco. I'm gonna go with them.

Those aren't the people that created rap. You could say those artists advanced it though and took influences from disco.

[Kepler]

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Those aren't the people that created rap. You could say those artists advanced it though and took influences from disco.

You're just not correct. August 11, 1973, 1520 Sedgwick Avenue. DJ Herc is using the break from disco, R&B, and soul records and moving between turntables emulating a disco DJ. Hence his very stage name.

You're just not right on this. It's OK to be wrong.

[Jimjamesak]

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Two white guys, one from Long Island, the other from Minnesota, arguing over the origin of rap is wrong.

Wrong on so many levels.

[Kepler]

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Two white guys, one from Long Island, the other from Minnesota, arguing over the origin of rap is wrong.

Wrong on so many levels.

Long Island? As in... Queensbridge?



Wrong color, sure. But right place!

[Slap Shot]

You're just not correct. August 11, 1973, 1520 Sedgwick Avenue. DJ Herc is using the break from disco, R&B, and soul records and moving between turntables emulating a disco DJ. Hence his very stage name.

You're just not right on this. It's OK to be wrong.

Settle down, Sparky. I could have sworn I read that the origins and foundational pieces predated even the 70's and if that's not correct than mea culpa.

[Kepler]

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Settle down, Sparky. I could have sworn I read that the origins and foundational pieces predated even the 70's and if that's not correct than mea culpa.

Ah yes, the cutesy nickname for suppressing fire to cover withdrawal from an embarrassing situation. Little used these days but a mainstay of message boards in the 90's.

There are lots of vital breaks that came from the 60s, too (and then with later bands like Tribe the 50s). But this all started because somebody suggested disco was a blight on music without redemption, and the point is that disco was the main vein progenitor of rap and house and techno -- one of the most fecund music styles ever.

Ragtime sucked too, but it gave us jazz.

[The Rube]

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The Three Kings used those forms of music to do what they did, which was just playing breaks and such. But rapping/MCing itself didn't come from disco, that came from rap.

There were also 2 distinctive crowds: the street rap, and the disco rap. The disco rap didn't really mesh with the street rap.

Netflix has an outstanding series "The Evolution Of Hip-Hop" that covers everything from the origins to (as of now) the Biggie/Tupac/ATL (Dirty South) era.

[Slap Shot]

Ah yes, the cutesy nickname for suppressing fire to cover withdrawal from an embarrassing situation. Little used these days but a mainstay of message boards in the 90's.

There are lots of vital breaks that came from the 60s, too (and then with later bands like Tribe the 50s). But this all started because somebody suggested disco was a blight on music without redemption, and the point is that disco was the main vein progenitor of rap and house and techno -- one of the most fecund music styles ever.

Ragtime sucked too, but it gave us jazz.

An embarrassing situation? Weird - I guess you take this all very seriously and apparently are never wrong. I didn't invent the memory but apparently got it wrong and said mea culpa. Put another notch on your belt and sleep well savoring the sweet taste of victory!!

[Kepler]

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The Three Kings used those forms of music to do what they did, which was just playing breaks and such. But rapping/MCing itself didn't come from disco, that came from rap.

There were also 2 distinctive crowds: the street rap, and the disco rap. The disco rap didn't really mesh with the street rap.

Netflix has an outstanding series "The Evolution Of Hip-Hop" that covers everything from the origins to (as of now) the Biggie/Tupac/ATL (Dirty South) era.

Yes, that series is great.

Even simpler, there is "party rap" and then there is "knuckles rap." Party rap evolved directly from block parties which go all the way back to the '20s in the black community, as in all ethnic communities. These are raucous, welcoming, and fun at least until the drinks flow. They are usually OK if the cops don't come. Even when I lived in podunk Boston, as late as the godawful de-rationated 90s, the local Portuguese still had block parties on the weekends at which all Portuguese music was played and absolutely no English was spoken; however as a party crowd everyone was welcome.

On the other hand there was knuckles rap, at which if you showed your white face you best have had some sort of cred or passport or the evening would not end well for you. Slumming was not encouraged. This was (and I assume is) the atmosphere in the projects and in neighborhoods which completely understand they've been f-cked over in perpetuity by the blue-eyed devil and that includes me and you. These are places where you want the cops to come.

The former is the stuff that made the radio, and Sugarhill is the pinnacle. The latter are 80% guys who left their guts in the streets or in back rooms of police stations with no recognition. That's Schooly D and hundreds of other artists who would very happily slit a white throat and, in all honesty, have a point. I went to HS with those guys and was both terrified and respectful of them. Though of course, following the Universal Rule, 90% of them were crap too, just like the well-scrubbed suburban whites in the honors classes.

It's true that the rest of the country follows NY: first CA, then the other big cities, and then on down the line, for better or worse. Getting to feel this, even at a huge distance, as it was happening, was thrilling even as we all knew we were not welcome. I had no comprehension or appreciation at all -- I was scared and everybody I knew, white or black or brown, was too. But in a lot of ways to be 14 in 1977 and within a few miles of where this stuff happened was amazing. I got maybe 2% of the feeling and it still made a lifelong impression. What is was like for the people who lived it I can't begin to imagine.

[The Rube]

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Def on message and party rap. That was another subset. And obviously it got harsher as time went on (see 2 Live Crew vs PE or NWA).

[Kepler]

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Def on message and party rap. That was another subset. And obviously it got harsher as time went on (see 2 Live Crew vs PE or NWA).

NWA was legit. It irritates me they are portrayed as thug rap. They were artists.

PE is the one rap group I'd save if you gave me 10 minutes to burn a gold Sagan record. Probably the one American group, in any genre, I would save.

2LC was funny as f-ck and nobody will ever convince me they didn't just laugh their way to the bank. They remind me of Zappa in this way: they were crude and clever and completely under control at the same time; the Tarantino or Vonnegut of rap. Other than a few comics like Crumb, or Mad and National Lampoon at their best, I haven't seen that combined so well. They weren't even a guilty pleasure; they were just incredibly fun, in a way that say ODB, who was 100x more talented and serious and magnificent, wasn't.

I'd have taken my teenage daughter to 2LC or NBN. Not to Wu Tang. I know I'm watching genius but I am also not an idiot.

[The Rube]

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NWA was half and half as thug, given Dre's and Eazy's involvement. BUT, also artists. Cube skewed that a little, but still.

2LC was a novelty band and made the money. Still entertaining on a freshman level. I still like popping that cd in once in a while.