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Originally posted by leswp1 View Postprobably 90% of my patients injured while riding a motorcycle were not at fault ... (almost all of them were helmetless/ not wearing protective gear...)
Yeah, I know legally they aren't, but I would still be all for a law that says a motorcyclist who isn't wearing a helmet is automatically deemed to be at fault for any head injuries.
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Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View PostAuthor cormac McCarthy, 89
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Interesting. wasn't expecting that.
I guess I'd say litigating who failed to detect is tricky. Obviously the investigators may have, but I think it's also a conscious decision to pick a tiny vehicle that fits very inconveniently is the blind spot of a mini cooper. You know that risk when you purchase a motorcycle. It's easier to miss unless you're being diligent 100% of the time. Which no one is.
Some riders are very good about where they ride in relation to the other vehicles. Others weave and dart through traffic and place themselves in bad spots they shouldn't be riding in.
None of this is to absolve the car drivers. Cars should pay more attention on the road and Start Seeing Motorcycles.
But as I've always said, right of way is determined by physics, not the law.
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Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
Vast majority? Based on what exactly? I'm guessing it's split pretty evenly.
https://www.tl4j.com/5-shocking-moto...t%20one%20car. About 75% of all motorcycle crashes involve a collision between a motorcycle and at least one car. Most of these motorcycle crashes are caused by motorists who fail to spot motorcycles in traffic when they turn, change lanes, move through an intersection, or merge. These drivers either fail to detect the motorcyclist altogether or only see him when it is too late to avoid the crash. The majority of motorcycle crashes occur in intersections when the motorist violates the motorcyclist’s right-of-way or fails to obey a traffic sign or light.
https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/li...ccidents-31124
6. In multiple vehicle accidents, 2/3 of the accidents are caused by the other vehicle violating the motorcycle's right-of-way.
7. The failure of motorists to detect and recognize motorcycles in traffic is the predominating cause of motorcycle accidents. The driver of the other vehicle involved in collision with the motorcycle did not see the motorcycle before the collision, or did not see the motorcycle until too late to avoid the collision.
https://motorcycleaccident.org/motor...ssible-causes/
Take home- Wear a helmet, don't lane split, don't speed and don't drink and drive. (and don't live in a State that is warm and sunny- they have really horrid numbers) Much as they intrigue me, I wouldn't get on one. The human wreckage that occurs in a crash is nasty with a lot of deforming, life changing injury. My 86 yo FIL was riding one until about a yr ago. Never had a single mishap.
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Originally posted by rufus View Post
But the way they write them up does indeed imply that. Sure, he was on a motorcycle, and there was an accident. But he was doing everything right, until the idiot car driver turned in front of him.
Why don't they call it a car-motorcycle collision? Why don't they say, killed on motorcycle when a car turned in front of him. Nope, it's motorcycle accident, like he drove it off the road or something.
I'm just not sure there is really any other way for a journalist to write it.
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Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
What, exactly, is that supposed to prove?
There are ~30 motorcyclist deaths per 100M miles travelled, vs. 1.5 deaths per 100M automobile miles. Given that passenger cars carry more people than motorcycles, the car safety rate is even more than the 20x better that these numbers would indicate.
But try telling that to inlaws that are 89 and 90, and have been riding motorcycles for a lifetime. I think it's asinine that they take trips, like the one to Alaska, but since it's about a 50/50 proposition that my father-in-law is carrying at any given point in time, it's not an opinion I express too openly in his presence.
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Originally posted by rufus View Post
And again, I would bet the vast majority of those were not the motorcycle operator's fault.
Car just has better protective elements surrounding it's occupants.
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Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
What, exactly, is that supposed to prove?
There are ~30 motorcyclist deaths per 100M miles travelled, vs. 1.5 deaths per 100M automobile miles. Given that passenger cars carry more people than motorcycles, the car safety rate is even more than the 20x better that these numbers would indicate.
Car just has better protective elements surrounding it's occupants.
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Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
Motorcycle accident doesn't imply that it's the motorcyclist's fault. It's just a way of describing an accident, while at the same time telling the reader they type of vehicle the victim was in or operating.
Why don't they call it a car-motorcycle collision? Why don't they say, killed on motorcycle when a car turned in front of him. Nope, it's motorcycle accident, like he drove it off the road or something.
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Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
You need to meet my father-in-law and mother-in-law.
They spend their summers riding motorcycle around the midwest. I'm talking about the big boy bikes, the Honda Goldwings, that probably run 800 lbs each. Yeah, they each ride their own.
Two years ago they rode them to Alaska. And back.
They are 89 and 90 years old, respectively.
There are ~30 motorcyclist deaths per 100M miles travelled, vs. 1.5 deaths per 100M automobile miles. Given that passenger cars carry more people than motorcycles, the car safety rate is even more than the 20x better that these numbers would indicate.
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Originally posted by Kepler View PostOTOH, any time you pilot a bike or motorcycle onto a highway you're asking for it. So there was a motorcycle accident -- back in the showroom.
They spend their summers riding motorcycle around the midwest. I'm talking about the big boy bikes, the Honda Goldwings, that probably run 800 lbs each. Yeah, they each ride their own.
Two years ago they rode them to Alaska. And back.
They are 89 and 90 years old, respectively.
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