Dead Thread 2021 -- If you're reading this, it isn't you.

[SJHovey]

Where did the seat belt information come from? I read a couple of the stories and neither mentioned that. And if true let's note that lack of a seat belt likely did not aid in the driver surviving nor did wearing a seat belt lead to the passengers dying.

Most likely they impacted the trees the car hit at a high rate of speed and had they not been belted in the only difference would likely have been a more gruesome scene and even greater injuries. The driver may have survived simply because his body was not in the path of as many solid objects, and had he been belted in perhaps the airbags and other safety features of expensive cars would have prevented some of his critical injuries.

I have seen any number of accidents where people belted in on one side of the car were seriously injured and those on the other side, or in back seats instead of front, suffered minor or no injuries. Much like the old Indiana State Trooper TV said on those old traffic safety commercials, I never unbuckled a corpse.

I think that most of the twin cities print stories on the accident have referred to the fact that the two younger men were belted and the driver was not.

That said, the driver has only survived thus far. The news stories have suggested he sustained critical injuries, so who knows his ultimate result.

[Kepler]

That said, the driver has only survived thus far. The news stories have suggested he sustained critical injuries, so who knows his ultimate result.

[Slap Shot]

Judd did.

Huh. I always heard that Tom (who also owned Sunsets among others) as being the owner - wasn't ware Judd was involved.

[SJHovey]

Huh. I always heard that Tom (who also owned Sunsets among others) as being the owner - wasn't ware Judd was involved.

Well, if you want to be technical about it, I think it's actually an LLC that owns it, but that seems to be splitting hairs.

There are a variety of news events/stories out there that identify Tom as the owner, but also identify Jack Stevens as the managing partner and one of the owners, as well as a sister-in-law of Toms (Jack's wife, perhaps) also listed as one of the owners.

Sort of sounds to me like a family operation, but I don't do their books. However, I'm not going to take issue with any news reports that it's owned by the "family" of a former MN hockey player, if in fact Judd is also related to them, which it sounds like he is.

[First Time, Long Time]

Where did the seat belt information come from? I read a couple of the stories and neither mentioned that. And if true let's note that lack of a seat belt likely did not aid in the driver surviving nor did wearing a seat belt lead to the passengers dying.

Most likely they impacted the trees the car hit at a high rate of speed and had they not been belted in the only difference would likely have been a more gruesome scene and even greater injuries. The driver may have survived simply because his body was not in the path of as many solid objects, and had he been belted in perhaps the airbags and other safety features of expensive cars would have prevented some of his critical injuries.

I have seen any number of accidents where people belted in on one side of the car were seriously injured and those on the other side, or in back seats instead of front, suffered minor or no injuries. Much like the old Indiana State Trooper TV said on those old traffic safety commercials, I never unbuckled a corpse.

Wasn't trying to imply that the seatbelt killed them...just adding that it was another reckless behavior by the driver and yet he survived...so far.
and the last story I saw that had that was on KARE

[cskowen]

ZZ Top bassist Dusty Hill, 72

[walrus]

ZZ Top bassist Dusty Hill, 72

This sucks.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Wasn't trying to imply that the seatbelt killed them...just adding that it was another reckless behavior by the driver and yet he survived...so far.
and the last story I saw that had that was on KARE

Driver now in custody

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota...VSZShDViT1aEFg

[walrus]

Ron Popeil, the inventor of the infomercial
https://apnews.com/article/business-...08d0d32e32ca5f

[dxmnkd316]

I thought he died a few years back

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

"Saint" Carl Levin, former MI Senator, 87

[Kepler]

"Saint" Carl Levin, former MI Senator, 87

The Senator from Ford.

Is he the one who was in the Senate for fifty years and then his wife popped a squat for him? And his daddy was Senator before so basically that seat has been taken since Pearl Harbor?

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

The Senator from Ford.

Is he the one who was in the Senate for fifty years and then his wife popped a squat for him? And his daddy was Senator before so basically that seat has been taken since Pearl Harbor?

He was in the Senate for a long arse time (too long). The guy you're thinking of was Rep. John Dingell and his country club wife, Debbie, who effectively inherited his seat and still holds it.

However Carl had a son, Sander, who was also a member of the House for too long. Sander subsequently had a son, Andy, who is now occupying his seat as of 2018.

We need anti-nepotism laws to break these dynasties.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Obituary for Mack motzko. Really nice write up

https://www.williamsdingmann.com/obi...elebrationWall

[Kepler]

He was in the Senate for a long arse time (too long). The guy you're thinking of was Rep. John Dingell and his country club wife, Debbie, who effectively inherited his seat and still holds it.

However Carl had a son, Sander, who was also a member of the House for too long. Sander subsequently had a son, Andy, who is now occupying his seat as of 2018.

We need anti-nepotism laws to break these dynasties.

Yes, Dingell. Whom Dr. Mrs. met on the Hill and said was actually a decent person. But JFC once you serve your brat, your bro, or your b-tch can't have your seat. Even Rome adopted anti-nepotism laws.