Dead Thread 2021 -- If you're reading this, it isn't you.

[French Rage]

Silvio berlusconi

Come on comes in 3s!

[LynahFan]

Harvard man.

Michigan breathes a sigh of relief.

[SonofSouthie]

Treat Williams.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv...ty-1235513850/

[St. Clown]

Treat Williams.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv...ty-1235513850/

I liked him. He wasn’t amazing, but just a solid role player.

[rufus]

I hate how newspaper accounts always describe these sort of things. He wasn't killed in a "motorcycle accident". He was killed because an idiot car driver turned right in front of him. I can hear it now, "I never saw him".

They do it with cyclists all the time. The cyclist wasn't killed because he was hit by a car. He was in a "bicycle accident".

This sort of **** just infuriates me. We cannot say or report anything that casts our car culture in a less than flattering light.

[Kepler]

OTOH, any time you pilot a bike or motorcycle onto a highway you're asking for it. So there was a motorcycle accident -- back in the showroom.

[SJHovey]

I hate how newspaper accounts always describe these sort of things. He wasn't killed in a "motorcycle accident". He was killed because an idiot car driver turned right in front of him. I can hear it now, "I never saw him".

They do it with cyclists all the time. The cyclist wasn't killed because he was hit by a car. He was in a "bicycle accident".

This sort of **** just infuriates me. We cannot say or report anything that casts our car culture in a less than flattering light.

Motorcycle accident doesn't imply that it's the motorcyclist's fault. It's just a way of describing an accident, while at the same time telling the reader they type of vehicle the victim was in or operating.

[Kepler]

Treat Williams.

In celebration.

[SJHovey]

OTOH, any time you pilot a bike or motorcycle onto a highway you're asking for it. So there was a motorcycle accident -- back in the showroom.

You need to meet my father-in-law and mother-in-law.

They spend their summers riding motorcycle around the midwest. I'm talking about the big boy bikes, the Honda Goldwings, that probably run 800 lbs each. Yeah, they each ride their own.

Two years ago they rode them to Alaska. And back.

They are 89 and 90 years old, respectively.

[LynahFan]

You need to meet my father-in-law and mother-in-law.

They spend their summers riding motorcycle around the midwest. I'm talking about the big boy bikes, the Honda Goldwings, that probably run 800 lbs each. Yeah, they each ride their own.

Two years ago they rode them to Alaska. And back.

They are 89 and 90 years old, respectively.

What, exactly, is that supposed to prove?

There are ~30 motorcyclist deaths per 100M miles travelled, vs. 1.5 deaths per 100M automobile miles. Given that passenger cars carry more people than motorcycles, the car safety rate is even more than the 20x better that these numbers would indicate.

[SonofSouthie]

Former Jets and Broncos kicker Jim Turner.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...in-dies-at-82/

[rufus]

Motorcycle accident doesn't imply that it's the motorcyclist's fault. It's just a way of describing an accident, while at the same time telling the reader they type of vehicle the victim was in or operating.

But the way they write them up does indeed imply that. Sure, he was on a motorcycle, and there was an accident. But he was doing everything right, until the idiot car driver turned in front of him.

Why don't they call it a car-motorcycle collision? Why don't they say, killed on motorcycle when a car turned in front of him. Nope, it's motorcycle accident, like he drove it off the road or something.

[rufus]

What, exactly, is that supposed to prove?

There are ~30 motorcyclist deaths per 100M miles travelled, vs. 1.5 deaths per 100M automobile miles. Given that passenger cars carry more people than motorcycles, the car safety rate is even more than the 20x better that these numbers would indicate.

And again, I would bet the vast majority of those were not the motorcycle operator's fault.

Car just has better protective elements surrounding it's occupants.

[dxmnkd316]

And again, I would bet the vast majority of those were not the motorcycle operator's fault.

Car just has better protective elements surrounding it's occupants.

Vast majority? Based on what exactly? I'm guessing it's split pretty evenly.

[SJHovey]

What, exactly, is that supposed to prove?

There are ~30 motorcyclist deaths per 100M miles travelled, vs. 1.5 deaths per 100M automobile miles. Given that passenger cars carry more people than motorcycles, the car safety rate is even more than the 20x better that these numbers would indicate.

It wasn't a story intended to prove anything. Kep made the argument (which I agree with) that the minute you take a motorcycle out of the showroom, you are basically taking your life into your own hands.

But try telling that to inlaws that are 89 and 90, and have been riding motorcycles for a lifetime. I think it's asinine that they take trips, like the one to Alaska, but since it's about a 50/50 proposition that my father-in-law is carrying at any given point in time, it's not an opinion I express too openly in his presence.