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  • Re: Brexit 2: Happy Halloween

    To sum up the day's events:
    Parliament rejected election dates of 9 and 11 December but approved 12 December. The date is fixed so BoJo can't change it once parliament is dissolved.
    The House of Lords are expected to either wave the bill through or attach some sticky amendments to it. Both outcomes seem equally likely now. The HoL might decide to let the lower house do whatever it wants.
    Parliament will dissolve next Wednesday. It is unknown at this time whether the new speaker will be chosen on Monday as scheduled or if that will have to wait until after the election.
    10 Tories who had the whip removed have had it restored. Among the 11 not welcomed back are the aforementioned Ken Clarke as well as Dominic Grieve and Rory Stewart.
    In case there wasn't enough drama surrounding this, someone pointed out that the election might happen in the middle of a strike by the postal workers. The head of the CWU said "Lots of people asking if postal workers would take strike action during a general election. To be clear - we will do whatever it takes to defend our members."

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      Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
      Parliament rejected election dates of 9 and 11 December but approved 12 December.
      Was this because of different amendments placed on them respectively? Or are they superstitious about odd numbers?
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        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
        Was this because of different amendments placed on them respectively? Or are they superstitious about odd numbers?
        They might be superstitious! But it was because if they chose earlier dates parliament would be dissolved before it has a chance to pass a budget for Northern Ireland.

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          Today marks the end of Bercow's speakership. The election to replace him will go ahead Monday.

          At last count nearly 60 MPs have said they will not stand for re-election, double the number from 2017 but not as high as 2015 or 2010.

          In the eight weeks ending 27 October almost 2 million people across the UK had registered to vote. Nearly 60% of those aged 18-34. Then on Wednesday alone government reports there were an additional 177,000 applications, almost entirely from people aged 18-34. A group calling itself "FckBoris" is taking credit for driving voter registration. Hard to determine where those politics lie...

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            Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
            Today marks the end of Bercow's speakership. The election to replace him will go ahead Monday.

            At last count nearly 60 MPs have said they will not stand for re-election, double the number from 2017 but not as high as 2015 or 2010.

            In the eight weeks ending 27 October almost 2 million people across the UK had registered to vote. Nearly 60% of those aged 18-34. Then on Wednesday alone government reports there were an additional 177,000 applications, almost entirely from people aged 18-34. A group calling itself "FckBoris" is taking credit for driving voter registration. Hard to determine where those politics lie...
            Do the Brits do motor/voter / automatic registration, etc?
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              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              Do the Brits do motor/voter / automatic registration, etc?
              No, you have to register although it is much simpler. You can do it online, in person, even anonymously to avoid voter intimidation.

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              • Re: Brexit 2: Happy Halloween

                Any plots to blow up the house of lords uncovered today?
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                  Originally posted by state of hockey View Post
                  the horse of lords
                  The Prince of Whales is looking into it.
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                  • Re: Brexit 2: Happy Halloween

                    The new speaker of the House of Commons is Lindsay Hoyle, Labour MP for Chorley. As is customary, he will resign from the party and take up a non-partisan role.

                    It is customary for the outgoing speaker to be elevated to the House of Lords (or at least be offered the opportunity) when their term ends, but BoJo has said there will be no such offer coming for him. The whole reason Bercow stepped down is because BoJo was a spiteful little ***** and broke with tradition by announcing the Tory party would field a candidate in Bercow's constituency at the next election. It is another custom in British politics for all major parties not to run a candidate against the sitting Speaker. Rather than allow BoJo to set a dangerous precedent by breaking that tradition, Bercow resigned.

                    Nigel Farage previously ran for MP in seven different elections (and lost spectacularly each time - including once receiving fewer votes than a man dressed as a dolphin) but has decided not to stand for election because he wants to support all 600+ candidates the Brexit Party will field. This is news to the Brexit Party because it has not decided whether to contest the election or stick with BoJo. Mathematically, this should be a no-brainer. Allow the Tories to run unopposed on the right, have the Lib Dems and Labour split the left vote and run Brexit Party candidates in about 30 Labour constituencies that voted Leave to help the Tory win that seat. That could return a parliament with 350+ Tory seats and a solid working majority. However, that requires the Brexit Party leaders to trust BoJo, which they aren't inclined to do. No one trusts him, not even his friends. The Brexit Party might decide this is an opportunity to seize power and guarantee the UK's future. Entering the election would cause chaos, mostly to the Tories, but (in their eyes) could lead to a Brexit Party takeover of parliament, or at the very least lead to a coalition government of Tory/Brexit thus guaranteeing a no-deal Brexit at the end of next year. The risk is that by contesting the election, you make a possibility of a Prime Minister Corbyn or even Jo Swinson. BoJo balked Farage's demand to drop his Brexit deal, prompting his announcement. Brexit Party leadership might be more understanding - or at least practical.

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                        Ex speaker now speaking freely on brexit

                        https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50318810

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                          They gotta give Bercow a TV show. Like he takes Judge Judy's slot or something. "Ordah! Orrrdah!"
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                            Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
                            Ex speaker now speaking freely on brexit

                            https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50318810
                            But Brexit Party MEP Rupert Lowe said it was "disgraceful" someone with Mr Bercow's views was "allowed to referee our Parliament for so long", adding: "The whole establishment is geared against Brexit."
                            Seriously? It's a Tory government. BoJo is the PM.

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                              After threatening BoJo with running candidates in every constituency, Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party will not contest any of the 317 seats won by the Tories in 2017. The Brexit Party will contest every other seat.

                              Hard to say how that will play out. Sure, it paves the way for the Tories in those 317 seats but it makes it very difficult for the Tories to get victories in seats held by Labour, Lib Dem and others. It also sets up the odd circumstance that the Brexit Party will be arguing for people to vote for them in one constituency because the Tories are rubbish, but in the next they aren't fielding a candidate. Well...if the Tories are rubbish why aren't you contesting those seats as well?

                              There aren't going to be any reliable polls. Unlike here, polls in Britain are done nationally not region by region. That means we really won't know how all this plays out until election night. My initial read is that this is guaranteed to return a minority Tory government to Westminster and it's no better than they have now. Worse probably, because everyone in Westminster will be ****ed at the public for not straightening this mess and the public ****ed at Westminster and #10 because they can't sort it out either. And all because of a non-binding vote that David Cameron didn't even have to hold...

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                                Elections have consequences
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