Take the GOP up on it. Give the money to everyone and then raise taxes on the rich to claw it back.
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Originally posted by MichVandal View Post
I doubt anyone who constantly calls on them for this obvious hypocrisy will ever get any traction- that, and their "concern" about the debt- since it's their leaders that push it up the most when the economy is good.
Anyway, President Biden was in congress for a LOOONG time. He knows how it works. Which means you start higher than you really want, and let the other side think they are getting a good deal. So calling it caving when it's just a compromise that he likely planned for is rather over the top.
He also gets a lot of credibility among the racists, making them think he's working with them. Seeing how they ran things the last 4 years, it's pretty clear they have no idea what negotiations are about.
If the racist party wants to think he caved, fine. I'd be more confident that he got the racists to cave on something he would like, and still got what he wanted.Originally posted by BobbyBrady
Crosby probably wouldn't even be on BC's top two lines next year
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Marc Goldwein of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates that the more tightly targeted checks would cost $420 billion, as opposed to $465 billion. That’s what we’re fighting over? $45 billion in a $1.9 trillion package, to deny middle-class people (almost definitionally speaking; they make just over the median income) relief? That’s the holdup?
we're quibbling about $45 billion. Give people the money, and then pass Lizzie's wealth tax.What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?
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Originally posted by Handyman View Post
And they aren't voting against him anyways.
What I can't seem to find is what this means for the rest of the package. Is he basically lowering that but keeping everything else in? (money for States, minimum wage) If so then I wonder why do it at all. If he wants to pass it on it's own it is a smart move then imho because you can then add more later in the larger bill.
I kind of think that this is him throwing a bone to the GOP crew that came to him with a proposal. He is lowering the overall cost by being closer to their thresholds (targeting) but keeping the higher dollar amount. Its an attempt to show he is willing to negotiate in good faith and see if they are willing to as well. If they balk he can burn them with it then since even GOP voters support $1400.
I again likely get screwed (unless somehow I am considered head of household but I never got how any of that worked) but I need $1400 a lot less than say my parents or my GF do and they will do fine. If the numbers are correct the VAST majority will get the full amount while also making Manchin happy that people who are less in need won't get it.
Avoiding Reconciliation on this also leaves that open for something else as well which is a nice option.
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Originally posted by burd View Post
Well, Drew, I was actually thinking the experts might say a more liberal stimulus might be better fiscal policy, given the specific circumstances we are in. I believe some have said we need a large stimulus and the sooner the better.
I could use the money...but if I have to sacrifice it so those that NEED the money can get it I will. This is not Mitch's plan or Susie's plan...the vast majority of people will get what they were promised and it isn't being done by fiat."It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
-aparch
"Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
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Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
-ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007
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Originally posted by psych View Post
Your last sentence...I thought the stimulus checks are apart of his first budget reconciliation bill, which at this point is basically a bunch of Covid relief (like the checks) and a minimum wage increase?"It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
-aparch
"Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
-INCH
Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
-ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007
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Originally posted by Stauber1 View PostJu"It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
-aparch
"Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
-INCH
Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
-ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007
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"It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
-aparch
"Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
-INCH
Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
-ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007
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Support for lower limits. Doesn't say anything about support for any of the rest of the bill.
Just more Lucy pulling the football away. They'll keep trying to water it down, and dragging out the process, until the bill is that $600 billion amount, and then they'll vote against it anyway. And Biden will have wasted six months or more.What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?
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Originally posted by Kepler View PostTake the GOP up on it. Give the money to everyone and then raise taxes on the rich to claw it back.
Tax every dollar of income the same way too. Don't care how it is earned. By work, inheritance or investment. And pay FICA taxes on far more income, maybe double what we do now. And while we're at it, how about an amendment to the federal constitution that requires taxes paid to the federal government be relatively equal to how much federal money goes back to each state. It is ridiculous that blue states pay far more in federal taxes than they get back when compared to most red states.
But it ain't gonna happen because all the democrats care about it taking your guns, forcing you to abort your babies and requiring that every man have at least one gay sex experience every year.
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Originally posted by rufus View PostSupport for lower limits. Doesn't say anything about support for any of the rest of the bill.
Just more Lucy pulling the football away. They'll keep trying to water it down, and dragging out the process, until the bill is that $600 billion amount, and then they'll vote against it anyway. And Biden will have wasted six months or more.
If you are going to be Scooby in his absence you need to throw more fire and brimstone into your posts ;^)"It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
-aparch
"Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
-INCH
Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
-ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007
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Biden will announce an end to support for offensive military actions in Yemen, NSA Jake Sullivan announces"It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
-aparch
"Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
-INCH
Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
-ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007
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Originally posted by Stauber1 View PostJuCornell University
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