Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

POTUS 46.10: A New Hope

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Take the GOP up on it. Give the money to everyone and then raise taxes on the rich to claw it back.
    Cornell University
    National Champion 1967, 1970
    ECAC Champion 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1973, 1980, 1986, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2005, 2010
    Ivy League Champion 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1977, 1978, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1996, 1997, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2012, 2014, 2018, 2019, 2020

    Comment


    • Originally posted by MichVandal View Post

      I doubt anyone who constantly calls on them for this obvious hypocrisy will ever get any traction- that, and their "concern" about the debt- since it's their leaders that push it up the most when the economy is good.

      Anyway, President Biden was in congress for a LOOONG time. He knows how it works. Which means you start higher than you really want, and let the other side think they are getting a good deal. So calling it caving when it's just a compromise that he likely planned for is rather over the top.

      He also gets a lot of credibility among the racists, making them think he's working with them. Seeing how they ran things the last 4 years, it's pretty clear they have no idea what negotiations are about.

      If the racist party wants to think he caved, fine. I'd be more confident that he got the racists to cave on something he would like, and still got what he wanted.
      You’re bang on about the hypocrisy. All we’re going to hear for the next couple years is how all these people got checks when Trump was in office and GOP controlled the senate who didn’t get checks once Biden was president and Dems controlled the senate. They have no shame at all and will definitely be using it.
      Originally posted by BobbyBrady
      Crosby probably wouldn't even be on BC's top two lines next year

      Comment


      • https://prospect.org/api/amp/first100/wonk-case-for-limiting-eligibility-covid-relief-checks-is-wrong/?__twitter_impression=t

        Marc Goldwein of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates that the more tightly targeted checks would cost $420 billion, as opposed to $465 billion. That’s what we’re fighting over? $45 billion in a $1.9 trillion package, to deny middle-class people (almost definitionally speaking; they make just over the median income) relief? That’s the holdup?


        we're quibbling about $45 billion. Give people the money, and then pass Lizzie's wealth tax.
        What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

        Comment


        • Originally posted by Handyman View Post

          And they aren't voting against him anyways.

          What I can't seem to find is what this means for the rest of the package. Is he basically lowering that but keeping everything else in? (money for States, minimum wage) If so then I wonder why do it at all. If he wants to pass it on it's own it is a smart move then imho because you can then add more later in the larger bill.

          I kind of think that this is him throwing a bone to the GOP crew that came to him with a proposal. He is lowering the overall cost by being closer to their thresholds (targeting) but keeping the higher dollar amount. Its an attempt to show he is willing to negotiate in good faith and see if they are willing to as well. If they balk he can burn them with it then since even GOP voters support $1400.

          I again likely get screwed (unless somehow I am considered head of household but I never got how any of that worked) but I need $1400 a lot less than say my parents or my GF do and they will do fine. If the numbers are correct the VAST majority will get the full amount while also making Manchin happy that people who are less in need won't get it.

          Avoiding Reconciliation on this also leaves that open for something else as well which is a nice option.
          Your last sentence...I thought the stimulus checks are apart of his first budget reconciliation bill, which at this point is basically a bunch of Covid relief (like the checks) and a minimum wage increase?

          Comment


          • Originally posted by burd View Post

            Well, Drew, I was actually thinking the experts might say a more liberal stimulus might be better fiscal policy, given the specific circumstances we are in. I believe some have said we need a large stimulus and the sooner the better.
            I think part of the problem is research has showed people used the Stimulus to either add to savings or pay down debt. (both very smart) There is an argument to be made that it doesn't really stimulate the economy so much as give people a stronger footing.

            I could use the money...but if I have to sacrifice it so those that NEED the money can get it I will. This is not Mitch's plan or Susie's plan...the vast majority of people will get what they were promised and it isn't being done by fiat.
            "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
            -aparch

            "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
            -INCH

            Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
            -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

            Comment


            • Originally posted by psych View Post

              Your last sentence...I thought the stimulus checks are apart of his first budget reconciliation bill, which at this point is basically a bunch of Covid relief (like the checks) and a minimum wage increase?
              I am going on the assumption the concession is to try and get the 10 GOP votes. If it isnt then there is no point in lowering the numbers unless Manchin is trying to screw over his own Governor and his party.
              "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
              -aparch

              "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
              -INCH

              Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
              -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

              Comment


              • Ju

                Comment


                • Originally posted by Stauber1 View Post
                  Ju
                  Jitsu? ;^)
                  "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                  -aparch

                  "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                  -INCH

                  Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
                  -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

                  Comment


                  • This Might Be Why Biden Moved
                    "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                    -aparch

                    "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                    -INCH

                    Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
                    -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

                    Comment


                    • Somehow I managed to butt-post

                      Yes, I have a very talented booty

                      Comment


                      • Support for lower limits. Doesn't say anything about support for any of the rest of the bill.

                        Just more Lucy pulling the football away. They'll keep trying to water it down, and dragging out the process, until the bill is that $600 billion amount, and then they'll vote against it anyway. And Biden will have wasted six months or more.
                        What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

                        Comment


                        • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                          Take the GOP up on it. Give the money to everyone and then raise taxes on the rich to claw it back.
                          This. This is the actual solution. But people are too stupid to deal with the fact that we actually grew the middle class far more in 25 years following World War II despite the fact corporate and personal income taxes were much higher then than they are now. We would also be able to weather storms like covid much better because the federal and state coffers would have much larger rainy day type funds.

                          Tax every dollar of income the same way too. Don't care how it is earned. By work, inheritance or investment. And pay FICA taxes on far more income, maybe double what we do now. And while we're at it, how about an amendment to the federal constitution that requires taxes paid to the federal government be relatively equal to how much federal money goes back to each state. It is ridiculous that blue states pay far more in federal taxes than they get back when compared to most red states.

                          But it ain't gonna happen because all the democrats care about it taking your guns, forcing you to abort your babies and requiring that every man have at least one gay sex experience every year.

                          Comment


                          • Originally posted by rufus View Post
                            Support for lower limits. Doesn't say anything about support for any of the rest of the bill.

                            Just more Lucy pulling the football away. They'll keep trying to water it down, and dragging out the process, until the bill is that $600 billion amount, and then they'll vote against it anyway. And Biden will have wasted six months or more.
                            He said he wants it passed by March he isnt wasting any time. If they don't want this he isn't going to water it down anymore. He barely watered it down here. He is giving them a chance to make good on their desire to negotiate but he can pass it through Reconciliation without them. They don't have any cards to play here.

                            If you are going to be Scooby in his absence you need to throw more fire and brimstone into your posts ;^)
                            "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                            -aparch

                            "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                            -INCH

                            Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
                            -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

                            Comment


                            • https://twitter.com/GeoffRBennett/st...69781435965440

                              Biden will announce an end to support for offensive military actions in Yemen, NSA Jake Sullivan announces
                              Somewhere trixie doesn't know what to think :^D
                              "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                              -aparch

                              "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                              -INCH

                              Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
                              -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

                              Comment


                              • Originally posted by Stauber1 View Post
                                Ju
                                That was the best joke in Broadway Danny Rose.
                                Cornell University
                                National Champion 1967, 1970
                                ECAC Champion 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1973, 1980, 1986, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2005, 2010
                                Ivy League Champion 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1977, 1978, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1996, 1997, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2012, 2014, 2018, 2019, 2020

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X