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  • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    Roberts delivers when it matters.
    The suppressors are out in full force. The only way trump can beat Biden is via voter suppression in perhaps a half a dozen states. Fortunately I don't think anyone thought Biden would prevail in Alabama, but then rulings like this might not affect only one state so it could very well matter. As well it might doom whatever slim chance there was of holding on to the senate seat in Alabama.

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    • Unanimous ruling says Electors have to choose whoever the state selected
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      • Originally posted by bronconick View Post
        Unanimous ruling says Electors have to choose whoever the state selected
        Not exactly. It is my understanding that the ruling says that states can punish Electors for not going with the state's vote.
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        • Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post

          Not exactly. It is my understanding that the ruling says that states can punish Electors for not going with the state's vote.
          Technically correct (the best kind of correct), because that was the question presented. Having said that, the opinion succinctly points out the nature of the Electoral College since George Washington left and said in pretty explicit terms that states can do pretty much whatever they want to prevent faithless electors.

          The Colorado case involved the replacement of a faithless elector, and was decided per curiam, adopting the Washington decision in full. (Sotomayor was recused, hence the separate opinion).
          Last edited by unofan; 07-06-2020, 07:25 PM.

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          • Tomorrow is decision on trumps financial records.

            gonna be a fun night in the White House

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            • Religious employers won big today. They get to discriminate and they get to control employee's healthcare.

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              • Originally posted by unofan View Post
                Religious employers won big today. They get to discriminate and they get to control employee's healthcare.
                Freedumb at it's finest.
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                • Originally posted by unofan View Post
                  Religious employers won big today. They get to discriminate and they get to control employee's healthcare.
                  Good to see the pro-life movement increasing the abortion rate.

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                  • Stop clutching at pearls...
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                    • Originally posted by unofan View Post
                      Religious employers won big today. They get to discriminate and they get to control employee's healthcare.
                      Wow. So, Roberts will go this far but not far enough to outlaw abortion. He's as consistent as Dump's rhetoric.
                      **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

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                      • Originally posted by unofan View Post
                        Religious employers won big today. They get to discriminate and they get to control employee's healthcare.
                        I understand there can be a legitimate debate in society about whether religious schools should have the ability to discriminate against employees for apparently teaching or acting against creed. I go back and forth on that, but in the end I'm probably ok with religious institutions having that luxury. It's why I'd never work for a church or religious school.

                        But the decision today is, imho, the right one. If we are going to allow a religious school to fire an employee based upon them going against accepted creed, why should it matter if that employee is called a "minister" or not? It's the beliefs promulgated by the school that we are supposedly protecting by allowing this discrimination. What difference does the title of the person advancing (or countering) those beliefs make?
                        That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                        • If this is limited to churches or private schools which receive zero government funding then ok fine let them simmer in their bigotries.

                          But if it applies to Hobby Lobby or some company that happens to have wackjob owners then, no, it would be as wrong as denying entry to blacks because "that's our freedumb!"

                          I think a good argument could be made, however, that a church or school that receives a religious tax exemption is receiving government aid and so cannot discriminate. Let us see how many of these phobes and misogynists hold to their "principles" when it costs them their sweet, sweet tax dodge. I assume most of them will suddenly have a purely coincidental message from the gods telling them to love one another.

                          Hate dies hard. These creeps have been with us for so long they have burrowed into our laws and tax codes. But we will root them out, slowly, just as we banished their less sophisticated predecessors in hatred.



                          Last edited by Kepler; 07-08-2020, 01:34 PM.
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                          • This is why health care tied to employment sucks balls, but we all knew that.
                            "I went over the facts in my head, and admired how much uglier the situation had just become. Over the years I've learned that ignorance is more than just bliss. It's freaking orgasmic ecstasy".- Harry Dresden, Blood Rites


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                            • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

                              I understand there can be a legitimate debate in society about whether religious schools should have the ability to discriminate against employees for apparently teaching or acting against creed. I go back and forth on that, but in the end I'm probably ok with religious institutions having that luxury. It's why I'd never work for a church or religious school.

                              But the decision today is, imho, the right one. If we are going to allow a religious school to fire an employee based upon them going against accepted creed, why should it matter if that employee is called a "minister" or not? It's the beliefs promulgated by the school that we are supposedly protecting by allowing this discrimination. What difference does the title of the person advancing (or countering) those beliefs make?
                              Because a hospital in a rural area that is likely affiliated with a church (20% of hospitals are religiously affiliated) should not be able to fire a nurse, doctor, or janitor simply because they're gay?

                              Are you really going to argue that the receptionist answering the phones for the principal is a minister?

                              The general rule should be no discrimination unless absolutely necessary, not "go ahead and discriminate as much as you want if you're religious." The limits were there as a way to accommodate the churches so that they couldn't be forced to hire woman priests, not so that they could fire the black cafeteria worker. Now the exception has swallowed the rule.

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                              • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                                But if it applies to Hobby Lobby or some company that happens to have wackjob owners then, no, it would be as wrong as denying entry to blacks because "that's our freedumb!"
                                Since this is 2020 and the rules were promulgated by Trump, I think you know the answer to this.

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