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  • Re: US Foreign Policy 3.0: We're The Mets of International Diplomacy

    Originally posted by burd View Post
    There may be a better thread for this, but I"m watching S1 E9 of the Greatest Events of WWII on Netflix. One of the historians comments on Hitler's rise to power as follows:

    Really, if you had to identify a theme for Hitler's election campaigns, it would have been "Let's make Germany great again. Let's overturn the Versailles Treaty. Let's give people jobs. Let's get rid of these foreign elements that are poisoning our society."
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    • Re: US Foreign Policy 3.0: We're The Mets of International Diplomacy

      Originally posted by burd View Post
      There may be a better thread for this, but I"m watching S1 E9 of the Greatest Events of WWII on Netflix. One of the historians comments on Hitler's rise to power as follows:

      Really, if you had to identify a theme for Hitler's election campaigns, it would have been "Let's make Germany great again. Let's overturn the Versailles Treaty. Let's give people jobs. Let's get rid of these foreign elements that are poisoning our society."
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      • Re: US Foreign Policy 3.0: We're The Mets of International Diplomacy

        This is fine.

        Russia, Iran, Israel, and Syria. Throw in Turkey and the Saudis. I'm not saying let them just slug it out once and for all and give the charred remains to the winner, I'm saying... wait. Maybe I am saying that.

        Can we please get off oil yet? I really can't wait for when that part of the world has the strategic importance of Mongolia.
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        • Re: US Foreign Policy 3.0: We're The Mets of International Diplomacy

          We dont use their oil anyways. We are pretty self sufficient oil-wise.
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          • Re: US Foreign Policy 3.0: We're The Mets of International Diplomacy

            Originally posted by Handyman View Post
            We dont use their oil anyways. We are pretty self sufficient oil-wise.
            Nah, that doesn't really make any sense. It's a fungible. If you put a kink in the line somewhere it affects everybody. Oil Self Sufficiency is a bullsh-t marketing ploy used by energy companies to drape their pollution in patriotism.

            As long as we're expending our military budget and our children's lives to run the world for the benefit of the 1%, we're going to go poking our noses into any area that has strategically important resources. It's how the rich build their wealth on the corpses of the poor and the labor of the middle class.
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            • Re: US Foreign Policy 3.0: We're The Mets of International Diplomacy

              What are you even talking about. Who Knew NPR Was An Energy Company

              The majority of the oil we get comes from North America (60%) and if you include all of Latin America it is almost 75%. Only 13% comes from the Persian Gulf.

              (the article is from 2012 so it is possible the numbers moved but not that much)

              I was wrong to say "self sufficient" but we dont need the Persian Gulf oil in any way. North America has plenty and unless we go to war with Canada we will be fine.

              edit: More Updated Info

              We could leave the Middle East and not be hurt too badly.
              Last edited by Handyman; 11-20-2019, 01:17 PM.
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              • Re: US Foreign Policy 3.0: We're The Mets of International Diplomacy

                Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                North America has plenty and unless we go to war with Canada we will be fine.
                If Trump gets a second term...

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                • Re: US Foreign Policy 3.0: We're The Mets of International Diplomacy

                  Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                  What are you even talking about. Who Knew NPR Was An Energy Company

                  The majority of the oil we get comes from North America (60%) and if you include all of Latin America it is almost 75%. Only 13% comes from the Persian Gulf.

                  (the article is from 2012 so it is possible the numbers moved but not that much)

                  I was wrong to say "self sufficient" but we dont need the Persian Gulf oil in any way. North America has plenty and unless we go to war with Canada we will be fine.

                  edit: More Updated Info

                  We could leave the Middle East and not be hurt too badly.
                  No, the amount of oil we pump out of American sources means nothing because the US doesn't control it, energy companies do.

                  If we nationalize our oil reserves then we're energy independent. Until then, we are buying from private companies whose source is global. So if you stop up the drain in the Strait of Hormuz our oil prices shoot up. It doesn't matter if it comes from Saudi or South Texas.
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                  • Re: US Foreign Policy 3.0: We're The Mets of International Diplomacy

                    Right but what does that have to do with The Middle East? Those companies arent in Saudi Arabia.

                    The whole point is we can leave the Middle East tomorrow and it wouldnt hurt the US in any way. Those companies dont need the Middle East either.
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                    • Re: US Foreign Policy 3.0: We're The Mets of International Diplomacy

                      Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                      If Trump gets a second term...
                      That is why I left Mexico out of that comment
                      "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
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                      • Re: US Foreign Policy 3.0: We're The Mets of International Diplomacy

                        Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                        Right but what does that have to do with The Middle East? Those companies arent in Saudi Arabia.

                        The whole point is we can leave the Middle East tomorrow and it wouldnt hurt the US in any way. Those companies dont need the Middle East either.
                        Those companies sell their supplies on the open market. A US* company has nothing to do with the citizens of the United States. Unless when you say "we" you mean Exxon. In that case, yes, "we" have energy independence.

                        I'm not sure if it's still true but there was a time when Alaskan oil went to Japan while we bought from the Middle East. Oil doesn't give a sh-t where it's from.

                        * And in any case these are multinationals.
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                        • Re: US Foreign Policy 3.0: We're The Mets of International Diplomacy

                          Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                          Right but what does that have to do with The Middle East? Those companies arent in Saudi Arabia.

                          The whole point is we can leave the Middle East tomorrow and it wouldnt hurt the US in any way. Those companies dont need the Middle East either.
                          any disruption, or threat of disruption, to oil supply in the middle east would absolutely harm the US consumers with respect to the price of oil. Oil is a global commodity.

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                          • Re: US Foreign Policy 3.0: We're The Mets of International Diplomacy

                            Good point.
                            "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                            -aparch

                            "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                            -INCH

                            Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
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                            • Re: US Foreign Policy 3.0: We're The Mets of International Diplomacy

                              Originally posted by BassAle View Post
                              any disruption, or threat of disruption, to oil supply in the middle east would absolutely harm the US consumers with respect to the price of oil. Oil is a global commodity.
                              Was just going to say.

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                              • Re: US Foreign Policy 3.0: We're The Mets of International Diplomacy

                                Exactly. If Middle East exploded into active war such that their oil production was eliminated, the global price of oil would skyrocket. Under those conditions, I strongly doubt American oil companies would say, “well, we’re not affected, and it only costs us $35 per barrel in extraction cost, so out of the goodness of our hearts and our patriotism, we’re just going to keep selling to American consumers and businesses at $80 per barrel, even though we could get $200 per barrel in the foreign market.” Nope, not happening. Therefore, the only way to ensure that cheap gas is available in the US is to make sure that the taps keep flowing in the Middle East.
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