I'll judge. If you're not going to put your life on the line for little kids what are you a cop for? You have a vest. You're the good guy with the gun. You've been trained. That poor security guard in Buffalo gave his life to protect people. He probably would have saved more lives if the guy didn't have body armor.
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One thing I want to make sure is that these... utterly indefensible and cowardly failings by the police do not distract us from the fact that this was a preventable incident. Let's not lose site of the fact that our outrageous gun obsession, combined with our ****poor handling of any mental health problems, led to this shooting. The news coming about about how worthless these officers are shouldn't let us fall into the Fox News trap of "this isn't a gun control problem; it's that these specific cops something something".
**** this police department. **** them for eternity. But we cannot let people deflect the ire and the drive to improve.I gotta little bit of smoke and a whole lotta wine...
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Originally posted by Swansong View PostOne thing I want to make sure is that these... utterly indefensible and cowardly failings by the police do not distract us from the fact that this was a preventable incident. Let's not lose site of the fact that our outrageous gun obsession, combined with our ****poor handling of any mental health problems, led to this shooting. The news coming about about how worthless these officers are shouldn't let us fall into the Fox News trap of "this isn't a gun control problem; it's that these specific cops something something".
**** this police department. **** them for eternity. But we cannot let people deflect the ire and the drive to improve.**NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.
Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.
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Originally posted by Kepler View PostIt seems like a virtually impossible situation so there is no way I am going to judge based on scant media reports.
With these officers, have a formal, transparent review and get the facts.
In the general case, have aggressive gun control so this stops happening. We are letting the dumbest and most violent people in our society set the rules. The social contract is there exactly for the opposite reason: to protect intelligent and sane people from aggressive morons.
Stop letting scum hide behind fictitious "rights." Rights are a social construct to protect good people from bad ones. Our institutions should be used to contain and limit the damage of the Right, not to coddle them.
But I think there is plenty of evidence to judge the horrible response by law enforcement. It is far from just scant media reports. Contemporaneous accounts from parents of students there, both victims and those who got out safely, plenty of video footage, and even plenty of statements by law enforcement detailing why they stood around with their thumbs up their as ses. Add to that their behavior in the days and weeks following (harrassment of media, harrassment of victims, some refusal to cooperate) and that there have even been other law enforcement agencies and personnel who have questioned the behavior of law enforcement on the scene in Uvalde and there is more than enough to judge and even conclude that their response was horrible, cowardly, ineffective and almost certainly cost little childrend and their teachers lives.
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My interpretation to the cops' inaction has been that they were afraid for the kids -- that breaking in would create a Koresh mass killing. Like not charging the bank when the gunman has hostages.
If the review shows the cops were protecting themselves, then of course hang them by their thumbs.Cornell University
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Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
Well, yes, but with the current Court I don't see much happening on the prevention side. And given the Senate is now caving to closing the boyfriend loophole it is clear that ALL REPUBLICANS elected to Congress want everyone at 18 to be able to buy an AR-15.I gotta little bit of smoke and a whole lotta wine...
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Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
I would never pretend to speak for all of them, but somebody froze due to fear. The officers know each other, including that one “they”, and likely didn’t know the teachers or those children impacted directly. The officers aren’t SWAT equipped, based upon that pic from earlier in the thread, so likely not or only lightly trained on these situations. Fear won.
They didn't want to get shot, they feared one bad guy with a gun despite them being many good guys with guns trained to stop bad guys with guns but were cowards. I get it, I don't want to be shot either. I am not a cop because of that. Not one of these cops deserves the right to deny people rights any longer. Every death is on their head."It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
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Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View PostEvery Cop that comes on any show and talks about this mentions that 1 Cop, 2 Cops, 3 Cops, etc. on the scene you go in for school shootings. That's how they're trained. Columbine and what happened there apparently changed their thought process.
The blood of any kids that died after they could have engaged the suspect is on them. Period. I couldn't live with myself.
The cops flubbed Columbine and then covered it up in such a haphazard manner that their lawyers should work for Trump. At one point while being sued they sent out all the police reports and were so lazy that when they "forgot" to send some pages didnt realize all the pages were numbered. So the defense saw "Page 45, 46, 47, 55, 56...etc." and realized they had been lied too. They are still suing for all the info to this day. (there was a book just written about it which was discussed after Uvalde)
At least in Columbine's case it was new...Uvalde was trained for this."It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
-aparch
"Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
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Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
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Originally posted by Swansong View PostOne thing I want to make sure is that these... utterly indefensible and cowardly failings by the police do not distract us from the fact that this was a preventable incident. Let's not lose site of the fact that our outrageous gun obsession, combined with our ****poor handling of any mental health problems, led to this shooting. The news coming about about how worthless these officers are shouldn't let us fall into the Fox News trap of "this isn't a gun control problem; it's that these specific cops something something".
**** this police department. **** them for eternity. But we cannot let people deflect the ire and the drive to improve."It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
-aparch
"Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
-INCH
Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
-ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007
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Originally posted by Kepler View PostMy interpretation to the cops' inaction has been that they were afraid for the kids -- that breaking in would create a Koresh mass killing. Like not charging the bank when the gunman has hostages.
If the review shows the cops were protecting themselves, then of course hang them by their thumbs.
I think that was their original story, but that has been shifted and changed because facts dont back up their story. The truth is, just like Vegas, if they had just acted quicker in a situation they easily could have more kids would be alive."It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
-aparch
"Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
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Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
-ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007
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Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has joined the growing list of state and local officials fighting the release of records that could help clarify how the emergency response unfolded during last month’s deadly shooting in Uvalde.
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Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.
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Originally posted by Handyman View PostI don't want to be shot either. I am not a cop because of that.
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Originally posted by Handyman View Post
Actually, the more facts that come out about Columbine the more you realize the cops did the same thing there. One of the teachers died bleeding out because despite the kids holding signs and other teachers telling cops he was in trouble the cops chose to search another side of the building and not send EMTs. It took like 45 minutes after they entered the school to get to the room (the shooters were dead by then) and the kids couldnt hold off the bleeding long enough.
The cops flubbed Columbine and then covered it up in such a haphazard manner that their lawyers should work for Trump. At one point while being sued they sent out all the police reports and were so lazy that when they "forgot" to send some pages didnt realize all the pages were numbered. So the defense saw "Page 45, 46, 47, 55, 56...etc." and realized they had been lied too. They are still suing for all the info to this day. (there was a book just written about it which was discussed after Uvalde)
At least in Columbine's case it was new...Uvalde was trained for this.
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Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.
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